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Is that retard trying to argue that Kentucky isn't part of the south?Jesus. He really will say anything.

And the Dakotas.

And include Missouri.

You forgot mooslim.

Nah you gotta include Arizona.

Well that doesn't work because then you can't make spurious guilt-by-association arguments as part of a childish game to avoid real debate.

This is the problem. In this case the "hostage" was some shitty debate with a couple of dipshit trolls with no interest in really taking the discussion seriously. Nobody gives a shit when you take the Kangs hostage.

And by the way, you're still a coward for not answering my question.

I don't think a mix really qualifies as socialism. But I also don't think markets in a socialist system qualifies as a "mix," either.

lol You DID pick that one up from the Republicans! Well here's the problem. I'm not some spineless democrat that's gonna give you anything in exchange for your bad behavior. Enjoy the list, bro. We'll see if you've given up this particular line of trolling in a week or so.

Noep. I is teh tru commiez.

Really? Forcing you down this ponderous path where I have explain what everyone already knew (that appeals to authority are a fucking retarded way of approaching political taxonomy) is "doing me a solid?" Did you pick that one up from the republican shutdown playbook?

Hey Araysar:

Don't let these dummies trick you. You can socialism and still have money and stores and shit.

Markets and socialism aren't incompatible.

Would markets be necessary for capitalist economies to qualify as capitalist, even Adam Smith had said that they weren't?

Prometheus.

The difference it makes is they're not paying some prick tribute to access his dildo making gear and they get to make decisions about how much their work is worth which means they might even be able to save up enough for that 40 foot boat.

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Because of the obvious way your troll attempts dovetail. Answer my question, coward.

lol uh huh What you want is to trick me into another day of being trololololed by hodj because you're still mad about all that shit with your weirdo social conservatism about gays and other sorts of public nudity. If only I could silence that idiot. No, what I'm doing is just not...

You're just running away and trying to bait me into even more trolling while you do it. You and I both know perfectly well why you won't answer that question.

Heh. I take it since I have no context for that that this is hodj being an idiot. You're wasting time trying to present a rational argument bro. He trollin'.

I'm still waiting for an answer to this, by the way.

I doubt Perfect Communist America is gonna make one hundred million forty foot boats. Is this the part where you ask me how we decide who gets the boats that do get made? Can we talk about markets now or do you want to keep playing this game?

Uh. The insurance industry? Really though...there's a million little instances of wasted effort that can go out. You don't really need to have gardners and shit like that either. There's a huge category of human labor the need of which is entirely predicated on the relative opulence of a...

Are you trying to get around to asking if markets exist?

Advertising. Like...all of it.

Does everyone want a boat? Like even people in desert?

Team Commie doesn't actually agree on this point. I've been desperately trying to get to some kind of real debate about what is and isn't communism, but all that has been is who has and hasn't called themselves communists, which is pretty fucking worthless given that, you know, people can say...

I would say yes, depending on the general level of prosperity in Perfect Communism Land.

There's a lot of options to deal with this. For one thing, a lot of the "work" under capitalism is just flat out waste. It just doesn't need to be done at all. For work that does need to be done but is undesirable, there's a lot of motivation to be gained from putting control over the means...

Yeah but you DO insist that if you're going to call a system capitalist it have at least certain basic features like say...markets, right?

It's not a fallacy when the "scotsman" is from new zealand. You can use the word "clearly" all you want but you're closing your eyes to the fact that all of the capital relations those so-called collectivization efforts seek to end are still there because, again, nationalization is not...

Well no matter what happens, we better not have a discussion about what the proper way to define it is and just go with whatever is the shortest path to calling calling all socialists literally pol pot.

No offense bro but I really seriously don't give a shit about your incredulity.

It's really obnoxious. He just repeats the same shit over and over no matter how many times you demolish his idiotic bullshit. He's pretty good about keeping it right on the border of looking like legitimate posting but that shit about Marx and Marxism tipped his hand.

No thanks, I've had more than enough of my time wasted reading the ramblings of a moron that doesn't understand what he's talking about and doesn't care to because he's arguing in bad faith.

That dipshit said like 3 times that I claimed that Marx wasn't canon for Marxism. There's no question he was just trolling.

Holy shit this is so much better. I forgot how great this forum is once you filter out the stupid.