Sterling
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Watson has a much longer career of productive play ahead of him than Bell had. Maybe he holds out, maybe he doesn't, but saying there's no chance he gets traded is also pretty damn silly.
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2021 NFL Offseason: QB Carousel Imminent -- Retirement Boogaloo
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Ameraves
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Your question was literally "would you walk away from". So I was trying to put myself in that situation.
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I misread.
For those that are thinking that this is an easy decision. Think of the most righteous thing in your life that you have been apart of, then imagine getting offered to go against it.
Good luck saying no to that money.
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2022 no chance. 2023 maybe, because the cap could go up and his individual hit once being cut its 80% less of where it will be now. 2024 highly likely.
| YEAR | AGE | BASE SALARY | SIGNING | ROSTER | CAP HIT | DEAD CAP | YEARLY CASH | ||
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 2020 | 25 | $1,177,123 | $7,453,961 | $1,177,123 | $9,808,207 | $75,771,084 | $29,354,246($29,354,246) | ||
| 2021 | 26 | $10,540,000 | $5,400,000 | - | $15,940,000 | $67,140,000 | $10,540,000($39,894,246) | ||
| 2022 | 27 | $35,000,000 | $5,400,000 | - | $40,400,000 | $51,200,000 | $35,000,000($74,894,246) | ||
| 2023 | 28 | $20,000,000 | $5,400,000 | $17,000,000 | $42,400,000 | $10,800,000 | $37,000,000($111,894,246) |
| 2024 | 29 | $32,000,000 | $5,400,000 | $37,400,000 | $5,400,000 | $32,000,000($143,894,246) | |||
| 2025 | 30 | $32,000,000 | - | $32,000,000 | - | $32,000,000($175,894,246) |
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Ameraves
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I think your focus on the cap is clouding your vision. The cap can always be manipulated in any number of ways, and if it gets to a point that they need to trade him, the cap implications will not stop them.
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Sterling
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Yeah, if they can get a package that they're ok with they could eat shit for a year and have a relatively clean slate going forward. Say they get something like 3 1sts a player or 2 and maybe some mid round picks or whatever. Eat shit and be terrible again, but at least have some real draft capital and cap space moving forward. 2021 will be real bad. But then you'll get to pick in the top 5 or whatever in 2022 and have whatever draft capital from the watson trade between 2021 and 2022 or whatever. It's not perfect, but the team is already on fire, might as well burn it all the way to the ground and collect your insurance.
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Muurloen
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It is the most black and white part of this whole deal it has nothing to do with emotion.
The cap is the cap. There is no luxury tax or soft cap like the NBA. It can not be manipulated. You have to account for the dead money Watson creates when he is moved and the new cap hits for the players drafted and signed this off season.
End of story
The cap is the cap. There is no luxury tax or soft cap like the NBA. It can not be manipulated. You have to account for the dead money Watson creates when he is moved and the new cap hits for the players drafted and signed this off season.
End of story
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Ameraves
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You are correct that it is a hard cap. You are absolutely incorrect that you can't do things to manipulate the cap. Yes, they have to account for dead money, but there is lots of ways to free up cap space. Teams do it all the damn time. Look at the Rams as one example. Between Gurley, Cooks, and Goff they have had a shitton of dead cap over the last few years, and yet they still manage to stay under the cap.
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Sterling
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There's different numbers depending on specifics of what they do. You should actually click the dead cap number in your chart
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Muurloen
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That isn't manipulation, that is cap management.
According to spotrac the texans have $10m to play with, which is absolutely nothing as previously stated. They have already made a big majority of their cuts by letting go of watt and stills. There are no more players on the roster that will give them cap savings.
It's over Trebek the damage is done.
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Muurloen
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There are no savings to be had. Period. End of story. He isn't being traded in 2021. 2022 maybe 23 or 24 then it can happen.
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Sterling
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it's about 6M more if they trade him before june 1st, if they wait till june 1st to trade him then they can defer 16M to the 2022 cap and actually actually save 10M on their 2021 cap. they have options.
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Muurloen
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If you were the decision maker for the Texans, would you trade Watson for a small amount of savings and then begin rolling the dice again in hopes of landing a better franchise qb?
If you don't say no you are a liar.
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Sterling
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Probably not, but I don't have all the details. Hopefully he just retires.
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Muurloen
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So that is was an interesting topic I heard discussed on the radio a few weeks back.
But he would not only shit can $156m but also any chance of him going to the HoF.
Back to his contract, the texans will still own the rights to him until he was destined to become a Ufa.
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David Johnson is an easy cut that is $6M by himself. You're also only focusing on the total dead cap number and not how much cap space in total is cleared by him leaving. Not that anyone wants to eat dead cap, but in truth this year is the ONLY year the dead cap hit exceeds the total savings on his cap hit, and it's only by like $5.8M or so.
It amuses me when you say $10M is nothing and you can't do anything with it, since you guys are 18th out of 32 teams as far as your current cap situation goes. There are actually 11 teams that are still over the cap right now. I noted the draft picks before, but even in total draft picks don't take up THAT much. The idea that you guys can't account for potentially $5M and change trading Watson would incur for this season is laughable, GM's rework individual contracts for that much cap savings every year, let alone across a whole team.
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Sterling
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Yeah, I wasn't even saying that he for sure was being traded, just that saying that they can't trade him is just wrong.
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Yeah I'm not even saying it's likely he gets moved, he could cool off and decide he wants to come back tomorrow for all we know. But if they decide fuck it, full rebuild, they could cut David Johnson for $6M, cut Brandin Cooks for another $12M, and just go cheap on replacements. Right now they have 8 picks in the Draft, but 7 of them are Round 4 or later, and their highest pick is a 3rd. Most of those picks are going to be very cheap to sign, and if they really had to, they could even trade out of some of those picks to acquire even more future picks.
This year is the only year that the dead cap hit exceeds the cap savings on Watson's contract, since his cap hit for this year is actually just under $16M, but next year jumps up to a $40M cap hit. But to think it's completely impossible is nuts, they aren't even close to being in the worst spot cap wise compared to teams like the Saints and Eagles.
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Sterling
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Yeah, and Philly just ate a way bigger cap hit than Watson's with Wentz and got back a lot less than Houston likely will get for Watson.
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