Autonomous Systems

Would you ever own an autonomous vehicle?

  • Hell yeah Bring on our robotic overlords!

  • Fuck you! I'll keep my Indepenence

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ZyyzYzzy said:
Answering you what ifs in order.

Well if it isn't a personal vehicle, it just goes and does some other task.

Are we assuming there are zero infrastructure upgrades elsewhere? Why wouldn't autonomous vehicles recieve data and communicate with other vehicles or computerized stations/objects?

Why wouldn't with lidar and other sensor technologies would it beable to detect road defects and move on the fly?

"Siri, drop me off near entrance x bear the fpod court." Or some other manual input to direct the vehicle.

Communicate with other vehicles and the station? Car X at station 2 is 98% charged and the car behind it on average takes 30 minutes to charge. Enter line at station 3 for fastest charging. Also car go charge yourself and grab a beer while I'm working.
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As a counterpoint to your infrastructure point: the big dig. Yes I'm sure there will be something like "PoI beacons" or similar available in Smug Francisco soon enough, but hell how many automatic toll collection systems are there in the country? Like 19? 3 in FL alone?
 
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As a counterpoint to your infrastructure point: the big dig. Yes I'm sure there will be something like "PoI beacons" or similar available in Smug Francisco soon enough, but hell how many automatic toll collection systems are there in the country? Like 19? 3 in FL alone?
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Idk. On the East Coast, you pay, EZ pass, or get sent a the toll (+ possible fine) in the mail. Seems automatedish enough
 
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ZyyzYzzy said:
Why? Also, all HoV/fast lanes here im the DC area are EZpass only now
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Whats your point
 
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Tolls on highways are easy.

It's the tolls that happen at a local park with some chick an adjacent building and a 25 year old line on the road asking you to stop that's tough.
 
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Wonder if there will be retrofit kits for old cars. We could have a bunch of fully autonomous but 100-year old Ford Model T's running around in a decade. That'd have some style at least.
 
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Aaron said:
It's also a cultural thing. People living in the centre of big cities often don't own cars (or even have drivers licenses). IIRC I read once that half of New Yorkers didn't own a car? These people will probably be happy with changing out the Yellow cabs for autonomous shared vehicles. But yeah, suburbanites and rural folks less so.
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I ditched my car the year its insurance did cost me more than the fuel for it. As a Parisian, working in Paris, trying to keep a car around is more hassle than it's worth (notably because at work, we have a strict contingent on park places, and people have to coordinate so that they do have a place in the morning).

Then there is also the lifestyle choice. Where I live I could easily get away with not owning a car, but I happen to really enjoy going on weekend drives.
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When I need to, I rent. With the modern internet-based interfaces for rent, I can reserve a car on fridays', pick it on saturday, return it on sunday evening, and all's well.

For the full-on metropolitan guy, a car is a conspicuous consumption symbol. "I can afford a car, AND its parking place."
 
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Ukerric said:
I ditched my car the year its insurance did cost me more than the fuel for it. As a Parisian, working in Paris, trying to keep a car around is more hassle than it's worth (notably because at work, we have a strict contingent on park places, and people have to coordinate so that they do have a place in the morning).


When I need to, I rent. With the modern internet-based interfaces for rent, I can reserve a car on fridays', pick it on saturday, return it on sunday evening, and all's well.

For the full-on metropolitan guy, a car is a conspicuous consumption symbol. "I can afford a car, AND its parking place."
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Europe is so much different from North America. The public transit system in Europe is extensive, From buses to trains and everything in between European cities are pretty much built around the concept of not needing a car( at least in Germany and Netherlands as far as i can remember)
When i moved to Canada i was surprised how everything is stretched out and how reliant anyone is on a car even in high density cities, the Public transport is barely adequate. Only recently with the rise of car sharing services is the car ownership starting to decline where i live.
 
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Those things have been in use for a few years already at the port of Rotterdam. Very cool technology.

 
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Europe is so much different from North America. The public transit system in Europe is extensive, From buses to trains and everything in between European cities are pretty much built around the concept of not needing a car( at least in Germany and Netherlands as far as i can remember)
When i moved to Canada i was surprised how everything is stretched out and how reliant anyone is on a car even in high density cities, the Public transport is barely adequate. Only recently with the rise of car sharing services is the car ownership starting to decline where i live.
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Because most of those cities in europe were built before cars, most of american cities were built around cars. Big difference.

In fact last time I was in europe, east europe, There were towns that had roads that could not even fit my ford expedition on. Maybe a fiat 500, lol. Built for horses and maybe a buggy, lols.

Also growing up in eastern europe, not many people were able to afford cars, they were a true luxury item, maybe a whole family had acess to one car. It wqs mostly reliant on public transoprt or cabs if you needed one in a hurry and even they were expensive. This of course is speaking of eastern europe, iron curtain era shit. Of course western europe it was different.
 
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Those automated dock working robots are awesome. It's exactly in places like this, as well as mines (Rio Tinto is already using autonomous dump trucks in a mine in Papua New Guinea) and other closed off, easily regulated environments where automation is going to take off and fly over the next decade or so. Other places where there is more human interaction (like autonomous buses and stuff in cities) is going to take longer as there is so much more that needs to be ironed out (like human idiocy).

Edit: Lots of well paying jobs are going to be lost to this. I remember watching a documentary on megadocks a few years ago. In it the crane operators were said to earn six figure salaries for working 6 hour shifts. The reason being it was a very specialised job needing a high degree of precision work. Thus, there is a huge incentive for docks to ditch those jobs for robots. Similarly, the trucking jobs in the Rio Tinto mine were some of the best paying jobs the native Papuans could get. Now it's all done by remote from Australia.
 
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The Numbers Don’t Lie: Self-Driving Cars Are Getting Good, Fast

Interesting article but the most telling thing for me is the number of miles driven by the various companies. If you listen to PR you would think that several companies are on par with Google on autonomous cars but the miles driven kind of indicates that no one is anywhere near them. LOL@Mercedes-Benz

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The Numbers Don’t Lie: Self-Driving Cars Are Getting Good, Fast

Interesting article but the most telling thing for me is the number of miles driven by the various companies. If you listen to PR you would think that several companies are on par with Google on autonomous cars but the miles driven kind of indicates that no one is anywhere near them. LOL@Mercedes-Benz

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Good article and wired doesnt pretend the data is more than it is, but ford has done much more testing in michigan (as they say in the article). Ford is the only group that i know of that is trying it in snow too.
 
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