Captain Marvel (2019)

She starts as a Kree warrior without memories, and finishes as a human with her memories back. The whole thing though lacks any sort of emotional journey and character evolution. She's fundamentally the same at the end as she was at the beginning.

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I think this is a valid point. Her origin arc seemed kind of flat, in part due to the fact we aren't super invested in it. She can't remember anything except being on Earth, but storywise there isn't a strong enough hook to really invest you in it. If you didn't have the Fury tie-in, then I don't think it would have held on its own. You don't really get more interested until the Skrull plot twist and then of course it is cool to see the leash taken off and her go Omega mode. But you're right, beyond the power boost, you don't think she had fundamentally changed as a person. She went from one goal (defend Kree Empire) to a new one (help the Skrulls find a new home), the main difference being is she is at her full potential from a purely powerlevel standpoint.

You could make the point that not every hero does that, and you'd be right, but the payoff is sometimes better because the storyarc is more interesting. Steve Rogers is Steve Rogers, who he is doesn't fundamentally change, just who he trusts and how he views others through the lens of his worldview. But his emotional struggle is better in Winter Soldier and somewhat in Civil War. A good friend is being manipulated and he has to choose between saving others and saving his friend, without being sure he can do both. In Civil War, his unwaivering ideology puts him at odds with former friends and allies. Granted, he had 2 additional movies to flesh things out and CA1 wasn't the most solid Marvel entry, but you'd think they would learn from some of those past missteps and maybe try to elevate the introduction of Capt Marvel.

Dom said:

I think you guys are going a bit too far with the bought-out theatre stuff. For it to have any sort of effect, it would have had to been on a large scale and you'd see more reports of it than a handful of questionable pictures of empty theatres.

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I can go into pretty much any movie theater for any movie at 10am and the place will be 90%+ empty usually, so I'm with you on "lol look at this empty theater!!!" photos are pretty shit "evidence". Location also counts. The theater near me next to all the major colleges usually fills up no problem for big movies, but older theater near a crappy part of the city doesn't get many people at all, regardless as to what movie is showing.

in the movie the pager was good for a "few galaxies away" and for him to use it for emergencies only. how far is "a few"

so "snap" just starting and -this is an assumption on my part- the snap propagates like a wave with an origin-faster than light, but say 200k light years per second(the milky way is 180k light years in diameter). and she is...~6 million light years away- flying in space alone- at that rate it would take ~30 seconds for the snap to reach her- and about the same length of time for fury to be snapped from the start of the snap to the button press. if she is flying alone, the pager hits, then she immediately goes to "light speed" and flies back nonstop, how would she know the snap happened?

there are 143 galaxies within 12 million light years of earth, the closest being only 250k light years away

another fun fact, the andromeda galaxy, is "flying" towards the milky way and they will collide in...4 billion years.

how far is "a few"

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As far as the plot requires it to be

Dom said:

I think you guys are going a bit too far with the bought-out theatre stuff. For it to have any sort of effect, it would have had to been on a large scale and you'd see more reports of it than a handful of questionable pictures of empty theatres.

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It would also have to be on an international scale since the movie is making just as much money overseas. Don't let logic get in the way of a good conspiracy though.

IW was huge. Perhaps the most impactful movie of my time. It seems impossible for a significant portion of CM watchers to not be there directly (and only) because of IW/IW2.
Those are big imagined numbers, like the size of entire other movie patronage numbers and then add the numbers from normal traffic draws and yeah, this movie probably did very well.

BoozeCube said:

This is probably very true, this being inbetween Infinity War 1 & 2 no doubt provides a huge boost to the viewings. Thing is even if you take away all the SJW horseshit from Captain Marvel it feels shallow and empty to rewrite shit, make her the first Avenger "Fuck you Captain America", and give her some big role in defeating Thanos in Infinity War 2. Again these movies have been built up over years and we have no emotional investment in Captain Marvel. Feels like a crock of shit to me.

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Captain America's first movie was called 'The first Avenger" but in the movie was he ever referred to as "Avenger"? was the name ever referenced? I always thought the title just referred to the fact that he was in fact born way back in the 1920 / 30s? So even if they did name the Avengers after her call sign she still wasnt the first Avenger. I could be wrong that was just my take on this

I'm going to unfortunately check in on the End Game spoiler

If it's lore deficient to the tune of Iron Man 3, cya later Muhvel

Sevens said:

Captain America's first movie was called 'The first Avenger" but in the movie was he ever referred to as "Avenger"? was the name ever referenced? I always thought the title just referred to the fact that he was in fact born way back in the 1920 / 30s? So even if they did name the Avengers after her call sign she still wasnt the first Avenger. I could be wrong that was just my take on this

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Thor is the first Avenger. Born 1500 years ago.

Brad2770 said:

Thor is the first Avenger. Born 1500 years ago.

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This is true

Frenzied Wombat said:

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To be fair, the scenes after she ditches the flannel were pretty flattering. The jeans looked great on her.

BoozeCube said:

This is probably very true, this being inbetween Infinity War 1 & 2 no doubt provides a huge boost to the viewings. Thing is even if you take away all the SJW horseshit from Captain Marvel it feels shallow and empty to rewrite shit, make her the first Avenger "Fuck you Captain America", and give her some big role in defeating Thanos in Infinity War 2. Again these movies have been built up over years and we have no emotional investment in Captain Marvel. Feels like a crock of shit to me.

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RLM basically said the same thing.
They wanted cathartic conclusion, not new introduction.
I see it as the Transformers Movie (cartoon), setting up the next season's toy line. (Not saying this is good. But since it's a part of business, it doesn't rustle me as much)

When ‘Captain Marvel’ Became a Target, the Rules Changed

A representative for Rotten Tomatoes, Dana Benson, said the change to its audience score had been in the works for a while, but that the attacks on “Captain Marvel” prompted them to roll it out earlier than planned.
“We’re very dedicated to making criticism more inclusive,” Ms. Benson said. “All the thought and care that went into the Tomatometer, we are expanding that to the audience score.”

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Brad2770 said:

To be fair, the scenes after she ditches the flannel were pretty flattering. The jeans looked great on her.

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Flat Ass Gate was hullabaloo. Since people have been making such a deal over it, I started paying attention to other asses and there is a large number of equivalent butts that haven't been so negatively reviewed.
She was cute in the movie and the ass didn't aversely impact anything. There was this one scene where she crouched and then stood back up creating this awkward sag between the legs - but that was more poor costume construction than anything her.

Brad2770 said:

The movie was very generic. I did enjoy the music choices. The Stan Lee stuff was really nice.

Brie is super cute though. It’s a shame her leftist/feminist attitude makes her less attractive. She would be hot as fuck in some cowboy boots, short shorts, a Marlboro t-shirt and a MAGA hat.

Look how unhappy that face is, but how much that body wants to be dominated-
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A terrible personality will make even the hottest body unfuckable.