Engagement rings
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Soygen
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I'm guessing lab created real diamonds are still made from carbon. Moissanite is silicone carbide. Maybe?
Big Phoenix
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Tuco
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yup. It's slightly less hard, is more refractive and is birefringent. Additionally all the lab-created moissanite are nearly perfect, where as naturally created diamonds have a lot of variance in color, cut and clarity. You can get near-perfect diamonds, but you'll have to go through the process of striking a balance between the 4 Cs (cut, clarity, color and carats) and for an engagement ring it's very likely you'll sacrifice quality for size.
Kirun
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It hasn't been millions. Evolution takes quite a while to completely shift ones biology/nature. A little bit of social pressure for the last few hundred years(at most),certainlyisn't going to do that. Females are still firmly in the "provide and protect" stage. Gigantic rocks on her finger are a fantastic indicator that she's "provided" for, especially when she knows other women will see it.
Nobody said that she wasintentionallybeing deceitful. This is simply the way women are wired. You can't just take them on theirword, that's the whole point. Any woman who thinks a large ring is "obnoxious" is jealous as hell. Especially since her reaction would be completelyopposite, if she were the one receiving it. If some girl gave a man a 20k dollar home theater system over dinner, I wouldn't scoff and say, "Oh, man! That is so obnoxious!". I'd rightly state, "That lucky ass motherfucker. Well, I'm jealous."
Now, if you can't understand the subtle, but very obvious difference between the two communication methods, I don't know what to tell you.
Famm
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Its a matter of men expecting everyone to communicate overtly like us, but female communication is far more often of a more covert nature.
Famm
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I'm confused as to why everyone is giving Kirun shit. If this was the GTBYHT, he'd have been applauded for "telling it like it is".
Because he's been pretty much 100% correct (if maybe a bit hyperbolic with some of his comments).
It's one thing to drop 200-300 bucks on earrings or a necklace over the internet, but I'm very leery about buying an engagement ring without seeing it in person, it's one thing that I'd definitely prefer to pick in person. 2 month salary for me would be like 12k, which seems like a kind of ridiculous sum to spend on a ring, something I'd much rather spend on clothes or vacations for my girlfriend (we've been dating for 11 months now and have gone on a few trips together). That said, Moissanite actually looks kind of cool though, although I'd have to see it more in person. My girlfriend actually talked to me a lot about rings a few months ago, but I can't remember a single word about what she said, other than that she wasn't interested in yellow gold. I kind of figured that the conversation was her way of hinting that she wouldn't turn down a marriage proposal from me, although I've explicitly told her that that wouldn't happen until we'd dated for at least 1 year.
Still, I think if I spent less than a few grand on a ring, my girlfriend would be pretty offended. Hell, I spent a few grand on Internet porn the year before I met her, so if she found out I spent like 3 week's salary on her ring I'm sure she'd secretly be offended, even if my 2 week salary would still give her a bigger ring than most of her friends' @ 2 months.
Because he's been pretty much 100% correct (if maybe a bit hyperbolic with some of his comments).
It's one thing to drop 200-300 bucks on earrings or a necklace over the internet, but I'm very leery about buying an engagement ring without seeing it in person, it's one thing that I'd definitely prefer to pick in person. 2 month salary for me would be like 12k, which seems like a kind of ridiculous sum to spend on a ring, something I'd much rather spend on clothes or vacations for my girlfriend (we've been dating for 11 months now and have gone on a few trips together). That said, Moissanite actually looks kind of cool though, although I'd have to see it more in person. My girlfriend actually talked to me a lot about rings a few months ago, but I can't remember a single word about what she said, other than that she wasn't interested in yellow gold. I kind of figured that the conversation was her way of hinting that she wouldn't turn down a marriage proposal from me, although I've explicitly told her that that wouldn't happen until we'd dated for at least 1 year.
Still, I think if I spent less than a few grand on a ring, my girlfriend would be pretty offended. Hell, I spent a few grand on Internet porn the year before I met her, so if she found out I spent like 3 week's salary on her ring I'm sure she'd secretly be offended, even if my 2 week salary would still give her a bigger ring than most of her friends' @ 2 months.
OneofOne
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Yes, and my thoughts (and some research) are in earlier parts of this thread expounding upon that. I mean, I look at Antarius say "Still, I think if I spent less than a few grand on a ring, my girlfriend would be pretty offended." and it just makes me feel sorry for him that he (and so many others) have to deal with that ridiculous expectation because of one of (if not the best) marketing campaign in history, designed for no other reason than profit.
Izo
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You didn't answer my question regarding rock valuation. What is the conversion factor you personally hold with regards to Moissanite and diamonds? When do you feel diamonds and all they represent, intrinsic, extrinsic, are worth it over Moissanite? What 4xC and dollar value are you going by? When do you feel diamonds are favorable to Moissanite? At what price level? 2-1, 1,?-1? Could you express this in a mathematicl function? I'm being very serious, looking hard at Moissanite gems, Tubro.
Izo
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I thought I killed the thread there fore a sec, thread went silent when you left. Glad you came back though, good links. Thank you.
Can I ask what your wife thinks of the 'fake diamonds'. Do you refer to them so in her company? I don't imply you lie to your wife like you do with science. I'm asking if you set the standard for gifts you buy her as 'fake'? How does that work out for you - and her?
OneofOne
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Yep. It's actually even more interesting when you get down into the details and you see the various things the marketing company actually did, and more quotes from people involved in the scam, er, marketing campaign.
Except that "bride price" has been around since prehistoric times. I mean, people have heard of dowry and don't seem to have a problem with it, why do such people tend to recoil from the reverse situation.
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Women have been firmly in control of dating, sex, and marriage for a long while, it's only natural that in our society it's "normal" for guys to be responsible to pay money in order to continue having sex and a family in a societally acceptible way. Even if it's only as a token, and disguised as a piece of jewellery, I don't see why people have such a problem with it... People have been doing it for thousands of years. (long before de beers)
Izo
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I understand the nature of this prostitution system. What I'm asking is why is it relevant today? Dowry is not relevant in a modern society. Women have equal rights and access to all society has to offer. Why must we bribe them, and dazzle their friends and family, with metal and rocks still? Where is romance and love in all of this?
Tuco
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There's no model that can answer that for you. It's subjective. Moissanite is very similar to diamonds but has slightly different properties that make them their own stone. You have to see one for yourself and make the choice for yourself.
For me, I chose to set a price for 1-4k USD for an engagement ring. I then looked at what was possible within that price for both moissanite and diamond. I then looked at the options with my bride-to-be and the answer was clear: What you can get for 4k USD with moissanite far outweighs what you can get with diamond.
edit: snarky answer: diamonds are only preferable to moissanite when they're used in saw blades and other industrial applications!