Fyff
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It's a similar concept but I meant a game from start to finish. The TLP's seem to be popular, I wonder if it would work as a full business model.
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Furor's 14 Days rant & First Look at WoW
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Miele
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Question out of curiosity: I saw that modern EQadded a fuckton of abilities and buttons to push, are the TLPservers played like back in the days, aka chat with dragons or are packed with full actionbars?
Fight
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The '15' action bars crammed with abilities came from Alternate EXP Advancement abilities over the 18 years of the game and 23 expansions. It is not quite as tedious as it might appear, because many of those actions are still on long timers or used situationally.
Unlike say EQ2, where you have 15 action bars x 10 actions that have to be pressed repeatedly in a wack a mole fashion, every single fight.
Unlike say EQ2, where you have 15 action bars x 10 actions that have to be pressed repeatedly in a wack a mole fashion, every single fight.
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I don't imagine it would. My reasoning is that in a well developed game most of the sunk costs are upfront and the operating costs are low (* when you keep maintenance and expansion costs in different costs centres and exclude the expansion team). The finance team will amortise the initial development costs over a period of time and report the margins as stepping up once the initial development cost is paid off.
Expansions are, ideally, less expensive to make, boost subscriptions for a period, and generate fresh (somewhat) guaranteed box sales revenue from your current active base.
If the game had a profitable base and a reasonable expansion ROI on the last expansion, there is no business reason not to do "at least one more" from that point you and continue until the cost of the next expansion is higher than the expected lift in subs and total new box sales.
This is all somewhat complicated by cannibalisation or brand identity (both of which figured in the FF decision making around their two MMOs)
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I still think providing players with some open source material and let them crowd source design to send to a company would ensure a plethora of content. Of course they would also get submitted like 10,000 battlegrounds shaped like dicks but whatever.
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Nirgon
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I would have paid for artifact power transfer to another character or a reset with points spent refunded.
Esp to another character.
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Ya, but that is largely a nostalgia market fueling that, not nearly enough subscription money to actually have started up as such.
I the question really is, the business model. You need subs to pay for a massive online world that isn't pay-to-play. You need good design to make it truly social, i.e., massive multiplayer. That Boston Red Sox pitcher squandered tens of millions trying to build another eq-type world. I don't think he was a moron, but I think he had ultimately no viable business model how to do those two things and have it fund itself.
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EQ2 was a "fast" game. I:f you were in the mood for it, the hyper-precise way each player had to do a job to get through major encounters/zones had its charm. Some of those raids were pretty cool, and you did have to pay attention. I never got tired, for example, of the Pumpkin Headed Horseman. That fight was just so funny.
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Fyff
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His business model had all these crazy perks for his employees. I know a couple guys who worked there who loved it. People who post here who worked there loved it. The problem is, running a business is more then just making your employees happy. You have to get product out the door. Spending money on family outings and free soda works if you are Microsoft, not so much if you are borrowing all you can to pay your people.
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Izo
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DickTrickle
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Nirgon
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So games for Timmy time is over?
We can make vidyas for real gaming Chads again?
Was the old Furor mad about dumbing everything down and the BFA/Legion blunders? Or is he a new brainwashed version now (this would be a loss for humanity)?
Maybe we can know one day.
We can make vidyas for real gaming Chads again?
Was the old Furor mad about dumbing everything down and the BFA/Legion blunders? Or is he a new brainwashed version now (this would be a loss for humanity)?
Maybe we can know one day.
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Chris
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In 2006 someone posted the 14 days rant on MMO Champion and edited it to be about the C'thun fight.
One of the comments linked the original on this forum and that is how I found this place.
As I'm typing this I realise that I must have been posting here (and Rerolled and Rereolled) for 15 years.
I've been thinking that someone should repost that rant again, or a new version of it, threatening to boycott WoW if certain things are not fixed.
Then I realised. Nobody cares enough to do it. WoW is already dead.
One of the comments linked the original on this forum and that is how I found this place.
As I'm typing this I realise that I must have been posting here (and Rerolled and Rereolled) for 15 years.
I've been thinking that someone should repost that rant again, or a new version of it, threatening to boycott WoW if certain things are not fixed.
Then I realised. Nobody cares enough to do it. WoW is already dead.
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DickTrickle
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Nice, WoW is finally entering the "game is dead" phase that EQ's been in for about 17 years.
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Chris
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Well I'd hardly say just about making enough money to keep the servers and support staff employed and holding the IP is "alive".
You want some cultural relevance and expansions coming out.
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Izo
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Soygen
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