I don't have a gun and likely never will because I know that given my past history, I am one of those people that could snap on a bad day and abuse whatever weapon was at hand. I would be in favor of having much more stringent limits on ownership of firearms just because it is so hard to predict who can and cannot be trusted with the awesome power to instantly take a life. When Costas spoke about how firearms tempt us to action he really did speak the truth. It's a lot harder to work yourself up to killing someone when you are going to have to viscerally do the act with a melee weapon compared to the detached ease of a gun.
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Yeah but one could make the argument that without a gun, say a knife, the dude would do less damage and maybe even get rushed by a couple of hero types and taken down.
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Only for pussies.
Sure, and that's a completely valid argument. Except tell me what changes to gun control would have successfully been made into law and still managed to keep guns out of this guys hands?
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It'd be easier for me to get on the anti full-automatic weapon bandwagon if there were more shootings enabled by full automatic weapons. The guy opened up and killed 2 people with a gun. You could do that with a bolt action rifle, a shotgun etc.
Even Breivek used semi-automatic weapons. The mumbai attacks were with the kind of hardware we're talking about. But overall most of these attacks are done with semi-automatic handguns.
Even Breivek used semi-automatic weapons. The mumbai attacks were with the kind of hardware we're talking about. But overall most of these attacks are done with semi-automatic handguns.
A few household ingredients in the proper proportions can do a world of damage. No need for a gun.
http://www.anarchistcookbook.com/
As fucked up as it is, if there's a will to do harm, there is a way.
http://www.anarchistcookbook.com/
As fucked up as it is, if there's a will to do harm, there is a way.
Full auto can be hard as fuck to aim unless it's mounted. At least that's my opinion, not a super expert but I have fired mounted 50 cal and M16A1 before. Full Auto would start to pull up like crazy.
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Just to be clear - the AR-15 is not a fully-automatic weapon. I can't think of any shootings committed with fully auto weapons since the North Hollywood shootout in like 1996.
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Depends on the weapon caliber, but yeah, unless you have a lot of experience controlling automatic weapon fire, if you hold the trigger down your shots are gonna go all over the fucking place. Now granted, the sound of automatic weapon fire close up is some of the most intimidating shit in the world. You might get heroes charging the lone gunman firing aimed shots with his high caliber semi-auto rifle, but I doubt anyone is gonna have the balls to charge someone blazing away with something on auto.
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There are 290,000,000 guns in the United States. Any attempt to impose 'real' gun control (WTF that means - you can define it) anywhere but a socialist "utopia" like Chicago or New York would start a second civil war.
As for places like New York. Their uber strict handgun laws work so well there.
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lano...of-la-man.html
So probably better to just go buy a gun yourself and stop worrying about guns and learn to love them.
RIP to the poor bastards who got shot.
FU to the shooter.
As for places like New York. Their uber strict handgun laws work so well there.
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lano...of-la-man.html
So probably better to just go buy a gun yourself and stop worrying about guns and learn to love them.
RIP to the poor bastards who got shot.
FU to the shooter.
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Not to mention that blazing away at full auto runs you out of ammo in a hurry and increases the likelyhood of a weapon malfunction.
Local news keeps talking about a possible jam, which might have saved alot of lives in this situation.
It seems to me what makes a weapon most deadly is a combination of large caliber, large magazine capacity and reload time.
Tuco mentioned the Mumbai attacks, I'm sure glad that for whatever reason Al Qaieda hasn't decided just to send small groups with assault rifles and explosives into malls, schools, hospitals etc in this country.
Local news keeps talking about a possible jam, which might have saved alot of lives in this situation.
It seems to me what makes a weapon most deadly is a combination of large caliber, large magazine capacity and reload time.
Tuco mentioned the Mumbai attacks, I'm sure glad that for whatever reason Al Qaieda hasn't decided just to send small groups with assault rifles and explosives into malls, schools, hospitals etc in this country.
This. It's like Chris Rock said, whatever happened to crazy? Someone goes on a rampage and people have this need to find some soft target they can blame it on. It's been everything from Doom, GTA, Marilyn Manson, movies, the guns themselves. No, it's the crazy motherfucker that's the problem. But denying that is to be expected as we are a society where the concept of personal responsibility has all but vanished. It's always someone else's fault. What's the solution? A piece of gun legislation isn't going to make that crazy motherfucker not be a crazy motherfucker. It may make it slightly more difficult for him to obtain a gun - a little bit more money, if illegally, or a little bit more paperwork, if legally. It may turn what would have been a shooting spree into a stabbing spree.
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Yeah, I'll stick with allowing scientists and psychologists figure out what 'crazy' means and how we, as a society can reduce it. If he survives study the son of a bitch and then take him out back and shoot him. Pointing to reasons for why things happen is more responsible than shrugging our shoulders and hoping for the best.
Probably the best way to stop these shootings would be to ban people who have been diagnosed with anything from depression on up from owning a gun. That's fairly draconian, but you really can't tell what will make a person snap ahead of time so you try and cover your bases as best you can. In fact, you don't need to even ban them from owning guns, just make it so they have to be held at a range. With the shooting in KC, if the gun had been offsite, perhaps tempers would have had time to cool. Really it needs to be about increasing the time and effort needed to kill other people, and thats the legislation we should be working towards.
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No gun ownership in Japan but 5-6X a year someone does a mass poisoning or runs down a street randomly stabbing half a dozen to a dozen people. Crazy fuckers use what ever they can get there hands on. Few years back a psycho cunt here drove up on a busy sidewalk for a block and a half, killed 2 including an infant injured 15.
If they really wanna lower the number of mass shootings, STOP GIVING OUT THE ASSHOLES NAME ON EVERY TV CHANNEL WHEN HE DOES IT, the crazies wanna go down as famous.
If they really wanna lower the number of mass shootings, STOP GIVING OUT THE ASSHOLES NAME ON EVERY TV CHANNEL WHEN HE DOES IT, the crazies wanna go down as famous.
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I'm pretty sure that's the case currently. Its a self report kinda thing, when you fill out the questions and you can answer no, unless the FBI knows about your depression, which is extremely unlikely you will get approved. Depression should be something reported to the FBI probably. Anyone taking something stronger than Celexa for anxiety or depression and the FBI should probably know about it. Normally I'm all for privacy and what not, but these retards are gonna give Obama and his cronies an excuse to ban "assault" weapons again, and we can't have that.
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I'm for gun restrictions only on fully automatic weapons. If people want to go around packing all the time sobeit. It's their right. if that leads to more dead people sobeit.
You can either protect people from themselves and surround them with fluffy pillows and stuffed animals or you can treat them like adults.
I take the libertarian view: people are adults and get to do what they want as long as they're not hurting anyone or anything. If they want to play with guns and pot in their own house they should be able to - if they start shooting at their neighbors well then hopefully their armed neighbors will shoot back and kill them.