Joker (2019)

Lanx said:

to simplify that shit, with new 52, there are now only 52 earths. (but little by little they keep adding another earth)

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Even so, this isn't THE joker, its just A joker.

Why the fuck are people rating a movie that's not even released?

i would tolerate a sympathetic joker, one that appears to be GOING crazy because of nuture; society, people, work, everything just beats him down or whatever, ONLY if the end of the movie demonstrates unequivocally that joker was ALWAYS crazy. he wasn't DRIVEN crazy, he's just pure, sociopathic insanity and always was. obviously the attempt with the film is to make a villain empathetic only to pull the rug out from under the viewer, but unless it's made perfectly clear that joker is, was, and always will be irredeemably psychotic then it's missed the entire point of the character

Character study, yes please. Can skip the bombs and blasts for all I care

Yes, I wouldn't mind seeing this be a movie showing Joker descending -further- into madness and at the end become the Joker we know. I am 100% sure Phoenix can pull that off easily if the writing is there.

Rated R, releases in less than 2 months Oct 4th. I expect an absolute terrible movie but I'll still watch

I expect it to be too similar to Nolan's more serious take on batman where even if it's good it's still going to be standalone and not able to fit in with the rest of a comic book universe.

TJT said:

This is a really bizarre kind of trailer. Some weird uplifting kind of movie about... the Joker?

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I dunno.. it seems like it'll be ok, but it's not selling me as a Joker movie.

Well this is more of him becoming the Joker, so I wouldn't be surprised if most of the time he's just breaking down mentally till he snaps toward the last 10-20 minutes.