Only problem with that is that the earlier mission was to keep the dog alive at all costs. Should have prefaced the new test by saying the old mission was over "now shoot the dog".
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Kingsman: The Secret Service (2015)
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If they do a sequel(dunno how with the way that one ended?) they should have patton oswald be the villian.
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Just saw the movie with the wife a free days ago. Loved it overall, but I really didn't like that scene. If it was handled like the Kobayashi maru, in that its more about HOW you handle the situation instead of being a pass or fail test in which you simply follow orders I would have been much happier. I mean they spend the entire training teaching them to think critically, but then through that out the window for the final test. Galahad even reams eggsy out later in the film about ONLY KILLING to SAVE a life. But that's in response to the test that he failed for not arbitrarily killing the dog. It was glaringly inconsistent. Rest of the movie was awesome
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that scene is way over analyzed. It was a test to see if he could kill something he loved or listen to orders, If you have and issue with that movie look at bootcamp or any fucking military. His job is killing people on orders that he knows nothing about
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Fuck I gotta jump back in on this thread because of that dog scene. I saw it completely differently. I see it as Eggsy showed he IS different than their normal freshman Kingsman. He is not cut from the same cloth and that is important. The organization's top dog was corrupt and Alfred soliloquy's Eggsy on how the old way suck, outdated, and aren't preparing them to deal with the future. So Eggsy was what the organization needed; an outsider that thinks outside the box and isn't held back by what people expect him to be. Because of that he rises above and saves the day. Thus him not shooting the dog proves he isn't "Kingsman" material nevertheless is what ultimately helps him beat the bads.
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No, it get that. I think that's what they were going for. Showing that eggsy is different and ABLE to think critically. Willing to throw away what he thinks is the greatest thing dive sliced bread because he cares about life. And not just important life, but the life of a dog.
Except animals are always more sympathetic than humans so anyone asking you to kill a dog just because is asking you to treat them like a villian. Also, like I said before, galahd points out that kingsmen don't take a life unless it saves another. He says that. After failing the test for refusing to take a life for personal gain.
In essence, he FAILS the test for upholding the principles of the kingsmen. Its just a silly scene. The movie is awesome and I'm incredibly happy I saw it. It just was a scene to keep eggsy and the chick alive and both relevant to the plot. You can't both win!! So she wins. But eggsy is the protagonist so it doesn't matter that he lost. He still gets to save the day.
Except animals are always more sympathetic than humans so anyone asking you to kill a dog just because is asking you to treat them like a villian. Also, like I said before, galahd points out that kingsmen don't take a life unless it saves another. He says that. After failing the test for refusing to take a life for personal gain.
In essence, he FAILS the test for upholding the principles of the kingsmen. Its just a silly scene. The movie is awesome and I'm incredibly happy I saw it. It just was a scene to keep eggsy and the chick alive and both relevant to the plot. You can't both win!! So she wins. But eggsy is the protagonist so it doesn't matter that he lost. He still gets to save the day.
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yeah.
and this might be a good point, to point out, the evil masterminds plot was to save the world... methods may have been horrible... but, stopping him killed all mankind.
there is some intentional subversiveness in the story. its possible the dog killing test was intentionally "wrong, and hypocritical on the part of the Kingsman", and no one calls them out on it.
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Fair point. I mean, I don't necessarily buy the "global warming is a fever" explanation, but in the context of the movie, no one really seems to disagrees with that. The only thing people disagree with is good solution. So in the context of the movie, I'll look at that scene being subtly ironic instead of poorly thought out.
I liked the movie, but it was goofy as shit. The church scene was cool, rest of it was meh.
Probly my favorite part is the Princess joke at the end.
Probly my favorite part is the Princess joke at the end.
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Didnt Vaughn say hes doing the sequel? Him directing is the main thing. I would like to see Merlin kick some ass in the sequel
Just watched it again, Samuel L Jackson cracks me up when he refers to Eggsy as "Oh fuck, its that young Valet"
I watched it tonight and thought it was fucking brilliant in every respect and a completely unexpected gem.
Violence A+
Comedy A+
Colin Firth A++
Matthew Vaughn should direct a Bond movie.
Violence A+
Comedy A+
Colin Firth A++
Matthew Vaughn should direct a Bond movie.
The fuck , that ending is the ending of all endings. As for Samuels character , I dunno...should of made him British and a younger actor would of fit much more into the film. Was still a fun watch though.
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