Monsters and Memories (Project_N) - Old School Indie MMO

Kaines

Potato Supreme
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Then you're just a moron if you believe it will take 1-2 years for the majority of players to hit max level in MnM. That is why I'm giving this game 6 months. The poopsockers will do it in a 3-4 weeks. The dedicated casuals will do it in 2-4 months. The dad vibes players will be there in 6 months. Then the game craters under the top-heaviness of the population and the contested nature of everything.
 

Pharone

Trakanon Raider
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Man the level of doom sayers in here is intense.

I didn't get a chance to play this weekend, but from what I played in the last playtest, I really liked the game. I sure hope the doom saying in here is just a lot of the usual haters and not actually something to be concerned about in the game. Kinda feels like the same two to three people in here doing a lot of replies making it look like the majority, but I could be wrong.
 

Gravel

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That's because the game isn't necessarily bad, but a lot of the design decisions are. And they have really dug their heels in on those bad ideas.
 
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Kithani

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I think people are overestimating the amount of poopsockers that are going to be playing this game. Let's say it's like 1 in 20 people and they get 5k subs, you're talking about 250 people spread across a few servers. They get to high level fast with all their shared tips and tricks within the first month or two and dominate the end game and either continue to contest high-level content or stop playing (for good or til theres more content). The other 4750 people (the bulk of their subscribers) are going to take far longer to get to end game. This imagined playerbase that knows everything about the game and is ruining the fun for everyone else feels a bit contrived
I’m not overestimating the # of poopsockers, I’m pointing out that I don’t personally believe you’re going to get 4750 other people to consistently pay $15 a month so that 250 turbonerds can monopolize all the content in 2026. You might get some interest for 3-6 months but I bet it will fall off hard eventually.
 
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Gravel

Mr. Poopybutthole
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Yeah, the reality is that it's going to be 90% poopsockers after 2 months. This game is never going to get 5k paying subscribers.
 
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GuardianX

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Ultimately MNM feels so weird.

It's got a lot of premise but feels severely hampered by lack of foundational direction.

Take the "leveling goal" they have implied that solo players should be able to kill, reasonably, blue mobs in order to level and groups should be focusing on white+. Most mobs are so over-tuned in the late levels (50-60) that you either need a group to keep a reasonable pace on blue mobs OR you are of a class that is hyper over-powered. Most people that I see "SOLOING" are doing it with the assistance of a out of group box healing their leveling character OR they are dealing with massive downtime of the mana regen system (because, for some reason...meditate ends at 225).

Many classes are in a state of "we'll fix it in post" with some classes being WILDLY OP and others being passable (some being severely underwhelming) but ALL classes being in a state of "Almost done". Elementalists have a whole line of spells that SHOULD be fleshed out (their blast system). Shaman are the most underwhelming healer class with their HoT healing a baseline of 225 (clerics get a 1600 heal after 6s) when mobs are hitting for 120+x2 every round. When they do "Fixes" they feel more heavy-handed than really "good" like the bard charm "fix" that made bard charm nearly useless if a mob so much as looks at the charmed mob (Ironically...still OP).

Finally you take the elephant in the room, "End Game". You have the stated dream of islands...where you gotta farm shit to build a boat...chart a course...and then go to an island (Non-instanced) where other people are already. So you are gunna constantly be fighting for camps and then the end game is you fight for camps after dumping a time into a process.

The sad part is, it's a decent game compared to 90% of the mmo market right now. You have empty husk asian games that have beautiful worlds and 0 personality. You have OLD games like EQ and WoW that are past their prime but filled with content and autismos fuckign things up. You have unreleased, pie in the sky games that will likely never come out and will die in the process. Then in the midst of all of that you have projects like this and AOA where the scope doesn't seem too monumental and the team seems like they can accomplish the goals they are looking at, the hope is they can actually accomplish what they intend..
 
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