fanaskin
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ok try to think of the way I mean it, but in wow people do try to out dps the mechanics and just sit in shit so yeah you can zerg in wow
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ok try to think of the way I mean it, but in wow people do try to out dps the mechanics and just sit in shit so yeah you can zerg in wow
Burns
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I've not heard of raid finder being referred to as zerging before and it doesn't make much sense in relation to how the term was originally used.
I assumed you meant zerging outdoor, non-instanced bosses once they instituted personal loot in Legion; where everyone that hits the boss gets their own personal chance at an item. Which lead to a bunch of non-grouped people running up and tagging the bosses. Early in the xpacs, this sometime lead to a large portion of people dying and running back multiple times.
The other use of zerging a raid in early WoW was rezzing at the graveyard and running back as the people die, over and over while at least one person stays alive to keep it tapped (for something like Green Dragons).
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Also not heard this as being considered zerging. Instead it's just plain "out gearing" the fight.
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Burns
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If you use instancing you are obligated to implement raid finder story difficulty like
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Flobee
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You're misinterpreting.
The idea is I support, as a general rule, the attempt to evolve from early MMO design in a way that is different than how WoW did it because, as we've all whinged about for years, WoW fundamentally shifted MMO design in a way that made it worse in a number of ways. Not in every way, WoW is objectively a better game, but it made specific design choices I want to see challenged. WoW's success made it impossible for innovation in a lot of ways.
Instancing is a specific area I'm interested to see changed. Another is the idea of building a giant world initially, and instead of expanding it with expansions, just filling and shifting it. There are plenty of legitimate criticisms to the game, but I maintain that their attempt to innovate in this space isn't one of them. They can always give up and instance. That's not going to be particularly difficult, and I think they'd be well served to use instancing in some circumstances, but I want to see a fresh approach.
Kithani
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I’m not misinterpreting, your opinion is just dumb.
Instancing raids was absolutely an improvement on the genre with zero downside UNLESS you are a loser neckbeard tha wants to feel “special” by monopolizing raid content. If MnM can come up with a better solution then more power to them but literally all signs point to a “nope” in that regard
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Flobee
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Instancing was absolutely an improvement. My point is that it's not the only possible improvement and if like to see that explored.
GuardianX
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The wild part is...EQ taught us you can do both with DZ's and open world of the same location and still give worth to poop-sockers.
On the other foot they got their TOS for "AUTOMATION" cracking down on peoples:
*CHECKS NOTES*
Keyboard and mouse macros.
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Trent if you read this, come on man thats a dumb as hell rule, push back on it. Push for "Active engagement" macros being okay and "Passive Play" macros being banned.
The game is filled with tedium and expecting people to eat a dick on 25 years of hardware improvements on the KB / mouse side is asinine when no other game (that I'm aware of) bans for KB / M macros.
The wild part is...EQ taught us you can do both with DZ's and open world of the same location and still give worth to poop-sockers.
On the other foot they got their TOS for "AUTOMATION" cracking down on peoples:
*CHECKS NOTES*
Keyboard and mouse macros.
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Trent if you read this, come on man thats a dumb as hell rule, push back on it. Push for "Active engagement" macros being okay and "Passive Play" macros being banned.
The game is filled with tedium and expecting people to eat a dick on 25 years of hardware improvements on the KB / mouse side is asinine when no other game (that I'm aware of) bans for KB / M macros.
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Flobee
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Probably a guy who understands what problems it was solving and the pros and cons of implementation huh?
Kithani
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Sean is the greatest MMO dev in the history of the genre and he certainly understands every aspect of good game design definitely would never make a single bad decision ever that’s why this game is perfect and needs no changes but also any change they do make just causes it to be even more perfecter
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