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Any power traders in the thread that can point me to a good resource for understanding the foreign card market? I've been dipping my toe in foils in a limited way for a while, but I'm looking to pick up some FBB duals for my legacy project. I just don't want to sell my back teeth to do it, and there doesn't seem to be nearly the same level of information available online as there is for broader card markets.

I'm basically trying to pinpoint what a decent price is for German vs. French vs. Italian, because it's all over the goddamn map.

enzie_sl said:

The BEST outcome for him based on gameplay was exactly what happened.

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You choose the outcome where you were both eliminated versus the outcome where one of you was eliminated. That is not the best outcome. It's actually the lose/lose quadrant of the Prisoner's Dilemma. You didn't win and were out of the tournament and knowing all of the implications of your actions decided to ensure you opponent was also eliminated. You could have wrote on the slip he won 1-2 and it would have changed not a single thing in your life from that moment onward. You were out.

Technically speaking, the opponent picked the same quadrant. Either of them had the option of letting the other person continue but no one blinked.

That's what makes it the lose/lose.

Nice to see Sultai on top in Memphis. Like the tweaks made from the list I played. It just looks and feels crazy tight. Almost like $1500 superfriends before the JTMS ban. Which I also played poorly in a tournament.

Heylel_sl said:

Any power traders in the thread that can point me to a good resource for understanding the foreign card market? I've been dipping my toe in foils in a limited way for a while, but I'm looking to pick up some FBB duals for my legacy project. I just don't want to sell my back teeth to do it, and there doesn't seem to be nearly the same level of information available online as there is for broader card markets.

I'm basically trying to pinpoint what a decent price is for German vs. French vs. Italian, because it's all over the goddamn map.

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https://www.magiccardmarket.eu/is all I know of.

Arbitrary_sl said:

You choose the outcome where you were both eliminated versus the outcome where one of you was eliminated. That is not the best outcome. It's actually the lose/lose quadrant of the Prisoner's Dilemma. You didn't win and were out of the tournament and knowing all of the implications of your actions decided to ensure you opponent was also eliminated. You could have wrote on the slip he won 1-2 and it would have changed not a single thing in your life from that moment onward. You were out.

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I qualified it with 'based on gameplay'. He had no chance to win the match unless I conceded, he could only get a draw. The prisoner's dilemma would more accurately apply if it was a game 3 and he had a chance to win the match at that point, that's the part you are conveniently ignoring for the sake of trolling. You're trying to paint me as a bad guy for expecting my opponent to do something I wasn't willing to do, but the reasoning leading up to it is completely different. If you take away one of the prisoner's options, it changes the entire experiment.

Plus, you're not understanding the point behind that theory. The point of it being to find the best overall situation for all parties involved over the long term. If one prisoner stays the same each time, while the other rotates, it doesn't even work anymore. Plus, in that scenario, there aren't really any outside events leading up to and influencing the decision. If one of the prisoners is fully responsible for both parties even being in jail, potentially the other is even wrongfully accused, you'd have to have a 'conscience' option where if that specific prisoner turned himself in it, his sentence stays the same and lets the other go free. That'd be a more accurate analogy to this situation.

More specifically, I wasn't nearly as angry athimas you seem to think. I said the whole thing left a bad taste in my mouth, i.e. I was upset about it, but for many reasons. One of which being that I didn't talk it over with him due to a (what turned out to be unjustified) fear that I wasn't allowed to and for playing faster. Neither of which were his fault, meaning I was mad at myself for that. The worst thing I can blame him for, based on the information I have, was that he is just uninformed or maybe dumb. I was just complaining that I got punished for trying to be nice and give him a chance, however small, to legitimately win, but he was oblivious to that fact, and now I've got a fucking asshole trolling me for it too.

During game two of a match you needed to win to continue on in the event you made some suboptimal choices and were killed on your opponent's final turn when time ran out leaving the results a draw. When the match was over you expected your opponent to concede to you because you won game one and it's really kinda his fault because you got nervous about time, tried to hurry him up, made mistakes, and lost game two. He should really concede because youshouldhave won.

Do you know how much of a scrub this makes you sound like? Did you make play optimally? No? Then what are you crying about.

To make matters worse even knowing the situation you and your opponent both choose the outcome that eliminated you both from the event. You could have signed that piece of paper 1-2 in favor of your opponent, actually been the better man, and it wouldn't have changed a single thing about your day or the rest of the event or anything anywhere ever. Fuck it, shine on your crazy diamond, I hope you win the whole thing.

You know who doesn't have these problems?Winners.

How about this. I'd be pretty pissed if I paired up against a durdly player who goes to time while on the bubble because someone was "the bigger man" when that slow playing motherfucker should have had a tie. I give wins when it won't negatively impact the people I'm there with and it won't impact standings by boosting someone who doesn't know what they are doing but have lucked into a couple 1-0-1's. Bitch if we go to time you're getting the tie. If you give me the win that's cool but I'm not going to ask for or expect it.

But then I've also dropped and left right after my results were entered in a draft after 2-0ing a guy out of prize support just because they were being a shitbag when I played them. Dude lost his mind it was worth giving up a few packs.

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https://www.magiccardmarket.eu/is all I know of.

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They really don't make that site easy to use. >.<

Looks like I'll have to find an EU pass-through to buy anything.

Fucking Legacy Elves man. I just can't beat that damn deck. Went 3-1 at our local legacy night and my only dropped match was to a novice Elves player. Managed to steal game 1 with an early Jitte, lost game 2 to Abrupt Decay and beat downs from a goddamn Rec Sage, and game 3 to a turn 3 Hoof.

I really hate that match.

I've scanned the thread looking for some card-selling advice, but may have missed it. I have my old collection of cards I'm considering unloading. I have a lot of stuff from the Unlimited era, some random alpha/beta cards, tons of Revised as well as stuff from Arabian Nights, Antiquities, Legends, Fallen Empires, Homelands and Ice Age.

Some of what I assume are notable cards are lots of dual lands, Candelabra of Tawnos, TimeTwister, Tabernacle at Pendrell Vale etc

Is it better to try to sell on ebay, locally, another MTG site? I've never tried to sell any before, but figure now may be a good time (or maybe it isn't?)

I've sold cards many times on eBay and never had a problem but if you go that route I advise against shipping anything internationally.

The lazy route is to contact a major buyer like Troll and Toad or Star City. Everyone I know who has gone that route has been fine with how the transaction went.

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I've scanned the thread looking for some card-selling advice, but may have missed it. I have my old collection of cards I'm considering unloading. I have a lot of stuff from the Unlimited era, some random alpha/beta cards, tons of Revised as well as stuff from Arabian Nights, Antiquities, Legends, Fallen Empires, Homelands and Ice Age.

Some of what I assume are notable cards are lots of dual lands, Candelabra of Tawnos, TimeTwister, Tabernacle at Pendrell Vale etc

Is it better to try to sell on ebay, locally, another MTG site? I've never tried to sell any before, but figure now may be a good time (or maybe it isn't?)

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Mtgfanatic - Buy Magic the Gathering Cards and Singles
is really great too for ease and mass. They have great buy prices.

I would be hesitant to sell to mtgfanatic. They are very picky about card condition, and considering the age of many of your cards, you'd get a bunch sent back. Also, they take over a month to actually send payment. They were upwards of 3 months for awhile there when I stopped selling to them, maybe they are better now, but I doubt it. There's a huge thread on mtgsalvation talking about bad experiences with them. I continued selling to them for awhile due to their higher buy prices, but it got to be too much.

If you want quick turnaround, selling at buylist prices is the quickest. If you are willing to do that, I'd be interested in buying some of what you have (I am an amateur dealer, selling on ebay and tcg). I can tell I can't afford all of it, though.
Otherwise, it all depends on how much work you are willing to do. Ebay will get you a little bit more money then buylisting, but not a lot. Once you factor in shipping supplies, ebay and paypal fees, it's about 10-20% more then buylisting. Older cards will need high-res scans for you to get a good price. Condition is very important on the value of higher dollar cards like Tabernacle and dual lands. If you do it all the time, the time investment becomes lower as you become more efficient, which is why people like me do it. But, for someone just looking to unload their collection for cash, there's a fair amount of time you'll spend getting setup.
Selling locally, or in person, will get you the most money but it'd take the longest and you likely wouldn't sell everything within the next 6 months as a result.
If you do go the buylist route, I would recommend cardkingdom overall. Of the big magic sites, that all pay within a week, they have the best prices on average by about 15% I'd say.
Now, if you want to squeeze some extra money out of it, use quietspeculation.com's price lookup to see the buylist price of a few different sites at once. Or, just look up each card on cardkingdom, starcity and that tool before deciding where to sell it.

Basically, are you willing to spend time squeezing as much money out of it as possible, or would you rather just unload it all for quick cash? Depending on that answer, I could give more specific advice.

I am pleased by the percentage of the DoT previews that are Dragons so far.

Ranak_sl said:

I've scanned the thread looking for some card-selling advice, but may have missed it. I have my old collection of cards I'm considering unloading. I have a lot of stuff from the Unlimited era, some random alpha/beta cards, tons of Revised as well as stuff from Arabian Nights, Antiquities, Legends, Fallen Empires, Homelands and Ice Age.

Some of what I assume are notable cards are lots of dual lands, Candelabra of Tawnos, TimeTwister, Tabernacle at Pendrell Vale etc

Is it better to try to sell on ebay, locally, another MTG site? I've never tried to sell any before, but figure now may be a good time (or maybe it isn't?)

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The realistic answer is cash value of cards is roughly half of retail. If you're a private seller, that's about what you can expect. You can sometimes do a little better selling individual cards, or worse if you just bulk out the collection. You listed some notable cards that are quite high value, however.

Anything from Fallen Empires, Homelands or Ice Age isn't worth the price of a stamp. It's bulk cardboard, and the best you'll get is about $3 per 1000 cards. There are a *small* handful of cards worth a nickel to a quarter in there (Dark Ritual, Hymn to Tourach), but that's it and no one is going to do that work for you. You'll have to sort it all yourself first.

If I were sitting on a pile like that and just wanted to move it, I'd yank the obvious value cards, do a quick scan for anything I missed and then sell those individually and the rest as bulk. Someone like Star City Games will take it no questions asked. Or you could PM folks like myself or enzie and see what we would offer on individual cards. I bought Ronne's collection back in 2013 and it worked out well for both of us.

Heylel_sl said:

The realistic answer is cash value of cards is roughly half of retail. If you're a private seller, that's about what you can expect. You can sometimes do a little better selling individual cards, or worse if you just bulk out the collection. You listed some notable cards that are quite high value, however.

Anything from Fallen Empires, Homelands or Ice Age isn't worth the price of a stamp. It's bulk cardboard, and the best you'll get is about $3 per 1000 cards. There are a *small* handful of cards worth a nickel to a quarter in there (Dark Ritual, Hymn to Tourach), but that's it and no one is going to do that work for you. You'll have to sort it all yourself first.

If I were sitting on a pile like that and just wanted to move it, I'd yank the obvious value cards, do a quick scan for anything I missed and then sell those individually and the rest as bulk. Someone like Star City Games will take it no questions asked. Or you could PM folks like myself or enzie and see what we would offer on individual cards. I bought Ronne's collection back in 2013 and it worked out well for both of us.

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Necropotence is worth the stamp and some others from iceage if he has playsets of them.