Pan'Theon: Rise' of th'e Fal'Len - #1 Thread in MMO
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Mat'hir Uth Gan
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Nirgon
YOU HAVE NO POWER HERE
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Rezz
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So with the depth of classes and abilities that they have, and the gameplay that has been presented, do we have an actual MMO on our hands or a session based game? No long term capability makes me think session. Is Pantheon aiming to be a session based game like Icarus?
Is the design hope that players will cache data locally and then just log into Pantheon servers to access it?
Is the design hope that players will cache data locally and then just log into Pantheon servers to access it?
Ukerric
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Pharone
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When I said that it was up tot he user who owns the server to police their servers, I meant from a GM perspective. All of the anti-cheat software built in to the game would only deliver data to the company's servers and setup flags for the server owner to use if they chose to use it. In other words, if the company put in anti-cheat code to detect if you are using MQ2 (as an example for Everquest), all the owner of the server would be able to see is that XYZ account has been flagged for using MQ2 on xyz date/time. They would have no access to any of the raw data from the players computer.
If I was running a server (and I would because this is what I actually want in a MMORPG), I would not be checking any of the anti-cheat flags for my server because to me policing cheating on my server is more about being active on my server and being able to detect unwanted player behavior by actually observing it myself. I don't need anti-cheat code to tell someone is cheating if I see them playing 24/7 365 days a year in the same camp. It's pretty fucking obvious to me that person is cheating. That's the kind of policing I would be taking action against on my server.
Daidraco
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That also lets me know he's never played BDO and seen how long people stay in camps, there. "I FINALLY KILLED A MILLION CENTAURS GUYZZZZZZ!"
Pharone
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Nirgon
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Rather chill with bros at the centaur spawn than do daily quest chores solo for the 33rd time
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Sadly, this is not how modern anti-cheat systems work. First of all, anti-cheat is not a product, but a process and a constant cat and mouse game between both sides.
Second, it boils down to a data problem:
- The company providing the product has to have servers to handle all the anti-cheat data from the players. If they are already offloading all the game end server stuff to people running servers, why would they pay for the anti-cheat servers themselves? Especially when you have a box price and not a subscription, like you proposed.
- Data from Anti-Cheat is rarely a "yes/no" variable, but a gradual measure of player behavior. Even if you don't detect the exact cheat itself (like int he case of MQ2 loaded into the game), you can almost always detect repeated robotic movements (especially with waypoints), or strange behavior (like warping or getting stuck in geometry). This requires the processing of a lot of data. Data, which (ironically) with your architecture is already sent from the player to the server, but not to the company.
- Anti-cheat works best if the bans are time decoupled, making it harder to pinpoint cause and effect for the cheat developers. And you just can't trust server operators all to play for the "good guys". Because if I wanted to develop a cheat for such a game, I'd set up my own server to test if any of my cheats trigger the detection.
Is this some "fly on the wall" fetish? Personally I couldn't imagine telling players of a game I developed that "they are playing it wrong." Because if they are, then this is almost always a design and not server operation issue.