That's all very insightful. I guess you never see him quite as often with people you think are as powerful as you do with his group of villains. You don't think of Sandman, Scorpion, or Vulture quite like you perceive Black Panther, Cap, or even people like Fantastic 4. I remember growing up, the Marvel (I believe 1991) power cards, TV shows, etc. always kinda shafted Spiderman in his rankings but he seemed, as you guys said, in crossovers seemed to hold his own with just about anyone.
Spiderman chooses to deal with burglars, robbers, thugs, etc. so I guess it's easy to low-ball his abilities but he steps into other universes and messes people up.
Thanks for the info folks!
Yeah, spider-man is one of those heroes that flips between street level and global level, and he belongs in the later, he's just in the former because he's usually young or is a really grounded character (Being his super hero persona is more a burden than anything.) It's why a general theme of Spider-man running into other groups of super heroes, when they inevitably have their brawl, is that he's a lot stronger than they expect, because he's always throttling his powers due to fighting street crime. In the "official" Marvel power ranks
, Spiderman is a rank 4 (Of 7) strength super hero--or "Super human", which is any hero that can lift from 800lbs to 25 tons. Spider man is usually considered between class 10 to 20, so between 10 to 20 tons. (But take that with a grain of salt, because what Keg said is 100% true. It depends on the writer, there are big variances in each iteration, and story line, and even as he matures; older Peter Parker is stronger than high school Peter Parker. Sometimes though, a writer is just like "he needs to be able to lift this--so he does. The 'scales' are just kinds of averages of their feats.)
In so far as how tough he is--toughness in comics is always weird. Like characters can survive being thrown through a concrete building or a fucking bus slamming into them, but then a small 9mm bullet will absolute wreck their shit. It's a trope in comics that bullets, or 'piercing' weapons are ultra deadly, while fists/blunt impact, energy, fire (ect), even if its enough to level a building (And thus a fuck ton more energy that the dinky bullet) can be 'tolerated' by toughness. Spider-man is like wonder-woman where sometimes his toughness extends to bullets, and sometimes it doesn't, it depends on the writer (On the rare occasion he gets hit.) But you can see below, bulletproof is a
huge deal for Marvel; a character that can survive a building falling on them might not survive a hand gun.
But overall, he's about a 3 or 4 "normally" (Depending on the writer a great deal). So he's just pretty tough, can handle most things that wouldn't pierce his skin, unless it's something like a damn train impact, and can heal more efficiently than a normal human; but nothing crazy like wolverine, fractures will be gone in days rather than weeks (ect). Usually a bullet will ruin his day if he gets hit by it, or a sword. The thing to remember though is that in the MCU--all the characters got their powers homogenized. Thor and Iron man are actually a lot stronger in the comics, while Captain America and Bucky are not as strong as they show in the movies--that was intentional. They kept their relative ranks the same (So Thor is stronger than Iron Man, Iron Man stronger than Cap ect) but they tightened up the gaps, which I think was smart.
