Tea Time and Trotsky Talk with Tolan
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Chukzombi
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you keep getting locked up here. even the self righteous can take a hint.
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Tolan
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Keep getting? When was the last time? My month long “sentence” here will likely be commuted once the mods come to their senses again.
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pharmakos
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khorum
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Because is MESSAGE is about Income Inequality, you fucking mongoloid. Earning 910% of the poverty level LITERALLY negates your message about poverty levels.
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Tolan
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I call it censorship, or a media-blackout at best. Can’t let Tolan have access to the mainstream threads when there’s a moderator election on the line.
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Tolan
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khorum
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What strawman did you imagine I constructed just now? I answered your exact question.
You asked very clearly why his income levels negate the veracity of his message and I told you why. In fact, 900% of poverty level just reflects his conventional salary, accounting for all his capital gains and his wife's investments, they pull in just over $1.1 million every year, that's 1,000% of the poverty level in the US ($11k/year).
That goes beyond hypocrisy, it directly undermines any authority on Income inequality he may have had since he left that Israeli kibbutz in the late 60s.
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Tolan
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No, I clearly asked “what makes you think” such erroneous bullshit.
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khorum
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And I answered it as directly and correctly as possible. You obviously have no idea what a strawman fallacy is. Let me help you. That would be when I would construct a FALSE APPROXIMATION of an argument and debate that false strawman instead. When you asked why Bernie Sanders earning $1.1 million dollars per year negates his message, I answered precisely thus:
"Because his MESSAGE is about Income Inequality," (TRUE) "you fucking mongoloid" (ABSOLUTELY TRUE).
Do you just doubt that he earned $1.1million every year for the last couple years? Because he absolutely did. There's nothing erroneous about that.
So where is this strawman you imagine I was swatting at?
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fanaskin
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I dunno you're the one who seems to tend to talk about imaginary things that don't exist.
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Tolan
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The false approximation is that someone earning $1m/yr can’t advocate for socioeconomic justice.
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khorum
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Wrong. We can't edit our posts in your new home, Tolanbro.
Your question I was responding to was "What makes you think his income negates his message?" It's right up there in all its glory.
He can ADVOCATE for it as much Al Gore advocates for lower carbon footprints while his private jet and four mansions emit more carbon than a coal refinery. But the question I was absolutely NOT strawmanning was why earning 1,000 percent of a poor family's income would negate his message of solidarity with people living in poverty. And just as with Gore's hypocrisy, Bernie's lavish ONE-PERCENTER lifestyle absolutely negates his false authority on income inequality.
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Tolan
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“False authority” is your straw-man. You can keep circular-referencing it all you want. It doesn’t make your straw-man any less weak.
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khorum
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LOL still not a strawman, dumbfuck. Now you're reverting to your usually tactic of sliding the conversation with dumbshit one-liners to push your asshurt back a few pages. So here's your queef that I responded to:
And I didn't need to construct a strawman to dismantle that point. Bernie Sanders living large as a ONE-PERCENTER does, in fact, expose his HYPOCRISY as a champion for income inequality. There is no strawman there. I did not dispute his right to preach for something he so obviously doesn't practice---although I easily could. But raking in 1,000% of the working poor's wages absolutely undermines and negates his projected, even CULTIVATED "message" of solidarity with the poor. In fact, he's among that 1% he's always complaining about:
CNBC said:
There is no appeal to false authority there, anymore than there was ever a strawman. Do you want some help with some other logical fallacies that I also didn't employ in that argument?
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Vaclav
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No it doesn't. The best point of reference to have in such a discussion are from towards the top and towards the bottom.
No rational person says "Hey, that person talking about kids starving in Africa has no right to start a discussion on the matter until HE'S STARVING TOO!" - that's what you're basically trying to say is a hypocrisy in Bernie, falsely.
If he dodges the system to drive equality if-when it happens, then he'd be a hypocrite - but in discussing concepts there's ZERO reason he needs to be any specific tier. (and as stated, being towards the extremes gives him a better point of reference - those of us in the middle have the least points of reference)
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