The Paranormal, UFO's, and Mysteries of the Unknown

Chris · Jul 31, 2023

BrutulTM said:
Not jumping on team Lumi here but that is a very religious approach to science.

Religion is knowledge staying the same permanently.

Science is adjusting your view based on new evidnece.

Not sure how saying that you have to take it all or leave it all is "Religious". Religious people do what Lumi is doing, which is cherry picking that which fits what they want to belive

Chris · Jul 31, 2023

Lumi said:
So you're actually trying to say that comets and planets have always existed? Huh? lol? So you're legit just making up your own version of science fiction and calling it fact?

Making something up? OMG that would be terrible.

Nah I think that the big bang is just a type of huge supernova and they keep happening due to some currently unknown mechanism. I think the comet sperm could pass between different "big bang" universes, why not?

Lumi · Jul 31, 2023

Chris said:
Religious people do what Lumi is doing, which is cherry picking that which fits what they want to belive

No you stupid fuck, we are cherry picking science that is actually supported by scientific evidence. Not just random made up retard shit like you believe in.

MusicForFish · Jul 31, 2023

Void said:
If you keep posting the same "evidence" then I'm forced to continue posting the same rebuttals. I can't help it if your trusted sources are grifting pieces of shit.

Those documents are only Top Secret in Russia, right? How about he posts them publicly here? He can't possibly be afraid of reprisal, otherwise he never would have made it known that he stole them in the first place. Russia doesn't seem like the type to fuck around if they want you dead, so just post them in their entirety, right?

They've been handed over to Congress. You're just flailing again.

Kiroy · Jul 31, 2023

Seems easiest to say that 'god' created the ruleset that's layed upon the universe and science is just figuring out the rules. You can then default to 'god's ruleset made Abiogenesis possible'.

For believers, this always seemed like the only argument that should be used. Still faith based and impossible to define god, but at least it jives.

Lumi · Jul 31, 2023

Kiroy said:
Seems easiest to say that 'god' created the ruleset that's layed upon the universe and science is just figuring out the rules. You can then default to 'god's ruleset made Abiogenesis possible'.

For believers, this always seemed like the only argument that should be used. Still faith based and impossible to define god, but at least it jives.

The problem is that science has already proven abiogenesis to be impossible. Cell theory has shown that cells can only come from pre-existing cells. Science has literally proven that cells are of supernatural origin since they cannot originate through naturalistic processes.

ToeMissile · Jul 31, 2023

Lumi said:
The problem is that science has already proven abiogenesis to be impossible. Cell theory has shown that cells can only come from pre-existing cells. Science has literally proven that cells are of supernatural origin since they cannot originate through naturalistic processes.

And we have solved all the science. Rejoice in our superior intelligence.

Chris · Jul 31, 2023

Lumi said:
No you stupid fuck, we are cherry picking science that is actually supported by scientific evidence. Not just random made up retard shit like you believe in.

Cool, so you support the Big Bang Theory and the ages of the universe/earth claimed by scientists?

Lumi · Jul 31, 2023

Chris said:
Cool, so you support the Big Bang Theory and the ages of the universe/earth claimed by scientists?

No because there is no way to actually prove it and they are changing the numbers all of the time.

"According to the study's author, Rajendra Gupta, a physics professor at the University of Ottawa, their newly-devised model indicates that the universe is 26.7 billion years old, significantly older than the previous estimate of 13.7 billion years.Jul 17, 2023"

Chris · Jul 31, 2023

Lumi said:
No because there is no way to actually prove it and they are changing the numbers all of the time.

"According to the study's author, Rajendra Gupta, a physics professor at the University of Ottawa, their newly-devised model indicates that the universe is 26.7 billion years old, significantly older than the previous estimate of 13.7 billion years.Jul 17, 2023"

OK, so why the the theories you are cherry picking, like thermodynamics, real?

Your own position is that energy can be created amd entroypy increase because the universe came into being... I'm actually closer to thermodynamics because I'm saying that the energy has always been there (as has life).

Void · Jul 31, 2023

MusicForFish said:
They've been handed over to Congress. You're just flailing again.

Lumi · Jul 31, 2023

Chris said:
OK, so why the the theories you are cherry picking, like thermodynamics, real?

Your own position is that energy can be created amd entroypy increase because the universe came into being... I'm actually closer to thermodynamics because I'm saying that the energy has always been there (as has life).

Are you having a covid vax stroke as you're typing this or something? Like wtf...

I'm saying that like cells, energy cannot be created naturally. Energy has to be a supernatural creation because energy cannot be created. You apparently skipped over the 2nd law because it states that energy is always heading towards maximum entropy. Energy cannot have always been there due to the 2nd law. There is a finite amount of potential use for all energy. According to you the 2nd law doesn't exist because apparently it can just keep doing stuff for eternity.

Also, how could life have always existed in the physical universe if there wasn't even a universe for it to exist in, in the first place which apparently started with a massive explosion. Last I checked, explosions kill living things.

MusicForFish · Jul 31, 2023

Void said:

Here's a better reason to be triggered bro.
Lazar is making a movie and showcasing the element in it.

Chris · Jul 31, 2023

Lumi said:
Are you have a covid vax stroke as you're typing this or something? Like wtf...

I'm saying that like cells, energy cannot be created naturally. Energy has to be a supernatural creation because energy cannot be created. You apparently skipped over the 2nd law because it states that energy is always heading towards maximum entropy. Energy cannot have always been there due to the 2nd law. There is a finite amount of potential use for all energy. According to you the 2nd law doesn't exist because apparently it can just keep doing stuff for eternity.

Also, how could life have always existed in the physical universe if there wasn't even a universe for it to exist in, in the first place which apparently started with a massive explosion. Last I checked, explosions kill living things.

Lumi you are taking these scientists too seriously, did you know that they just changed the age of the universe from 13 billion years to 26 billon years?

You have drawn an arbitary line between "supernatural" energy creation for what you belive in, then "thermodynamics" energy creation which is apparently impossible for what I belive in.

But here's the thing, I think that the energy always existed (it can just increase in entropy) so it's you violating the law with your big bang nonsense.

Comets with life travel between universes, it's just empty space inbetween. Each galaxy collapses back into it's core black hole, then the galaxies collapse back into each other then explode back out in a big crunch. Life survives by achieving escape velocity and being outside of the universal gravity bubble before it crunches.

Panspermia is the only thing that makes sense.

Lumi · Jul 31, 2023

Chris said:
Lumi you are taking these scientists too seriously, did you know that they just changed the age of the universe from 13 billion years to 26 billon years?

You have drawn an arbitary line between "supernatural" energy creation for what you belive in, then "thermodynamics" energy creation which is apparently impossible for what I belive in.

But here's the thing, I think that the energy always existed (it can just increase in entropy) so it's you violating the law with your big bang nonsense.

Comets with life travel between universes, it's just empty space inbetween. Each galaxy collapses back into it's core black hole, then the galaxies collapse back into each other then explode back out in a big crunch. Life survives by achieving escape velocity and being outside of the universal gravity bubble before it crunches.

Panspermia is the only thing that makes sense.

Bro do you have a working brain cell in your entire fucking head? Like wtf lol. If cells can only come from pre-existing cells then where the fuck did the first cell come from idiot? Panspermia doesn't answer this question which is why it's simply moving the goalpost. Like how is it humanly possible to be this dumb?

Kiroy · Jul 31, 2023

Lumi said:
The problem is that science has already proven abiogenesis to be impossible. Cell theory has shown that cells can only come from pre-existing cells. Science has literally proven that cells are of supernatural origin since they cannot originate through naturalistic processes.

well im not really talking to you since youre buttfuck retarded

Lumi · Jul 31, 2023

Kiroy said:
well im not really talking to you since youre buttfuck retarded

Ya says the dumb fuck that says we should shoehorn in fake science with theology because "it jives". It's like you legit don't have a single fucking braincell.

Aaron · Jul 31, 2023

MusicForFish said:
Aaron this isn't the same post I mentioned, but it may be somewhere to start.

UAP Guide | 15-minute intro to UAP

The guide to UAP/UFOs that you can share at work. Endorsed by pilots, intelligence officials and journalists.

www.uap.guide

Thanks... still looks very much like how it was in the early 2000s, especially Steven Greer's 2001 Disclosure Project which had a bunch of government officials speaking out but nothing came of it. And the shitposting in this thread just today is very indicative of what it's like out in the real world. This sure as fuck brings out the crazies on both sides of the argument meaning rational people stay the fuck away from it lol. Well, time will tell.

Chris · Jul 31, 2023

Lumi said:
Bro do you have a working brain cell in your entire fucking head? Like wtf lol. If cells can only come from pre-existing cells then where the fuck did the first cell come from idiot? Panspermia doesn't answer this question which is why it's simply moving the goalpost. Like how is it humanly possible to be this dumb?

Where did the first energy come from? Where did the first elements come from? Where did God come from?

Life has always been. Life always finds a way.

Phazael · Jul 31, 2023

Kiroy said:
Seems easiest to say that 'god' created the ruleset that's layed upon the universe and science is just figuring out the rules. You can then default to 'god's ruleset made Abiogenesis possible'.

For believers, this always seemed like the only argument that should be used. Still faith based and impossible to define god, but at least it jives.

God of the Gaps, the intellectually chic version of being an agnostic, and that is demonstrably worse than being religious or an atheist.

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