Who are you voting against the least?
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Kriptini
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Aldarion
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Its really confusing how anyone can call Trump right wing. The man has no political ideology -- he has not campaigned on right wing social stances and his long record in the public eye shows zero evidence of right wing positions. Quite the opposite -- he is solidly aligned with the establishment Dems and Reps on all social issues.
For myself, I'm undecided. If Trump manages to advocate any conservative positions on the important issues (e.g. right to life) during the general election debates, I may be able to hold my nose and vote for him. Or if I am hating the world on election day and want to watch it burn, I'll vote Trump.
Otherwise I'll write in the conservative candidate who won the largest number of delegates, and accept that I'm throwing my vote away.
chaos
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You're in luck, Trump already came out for basically every right wing social issue there is. He is the exact opposite of the Democrats on social issues, and that is why I find him unacceptable.
PatrickStar
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The democratic nominee and that might be Clinton. And I fucking said I would never vote for her. That is how much Trump bothers me.
Kiroy
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Both bernie and trump are basically third party votes (socialist party and ??? party). bernie won't be the nominee so I have to go for trump assuming the GOP doesn't fuck him out of the nom, because establishment ect. If he gets fucked out of the nom then I just won't vote - actually i'm in CA, so I probably wont' vote regardless except local shit
Aldarion
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I'll give it some weight when he says it in the general election debates.
My take on Trump is that his campaign is entirely driven by ego -- the only ideology he has is winning. In the Republican primaries, he gives minor lip service to conservative positions, because this is key to winning Republican primaries. I predict in the general election he will position himself in the center, because that will be (in his mind at least) key to winning. Winning is all he cares about.
If he takes a conservative stand on so-called "social issues" in the general it will count for something, because conventional wisdom suggests that would cost him some votes. If he says the same in the primary, it means nothing.
And PS -- I said "establishment Reps and Dems". Establishment Reps and Dems hold identical positions on social issues: maintain the status quo.
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I'm curious for Sanders supporters because it's too cultish at this point in the media to get at it: can you give some examples of things he could reasonably support/do/say that would make you no longer support him? I'm not talking about 'derp nuke everyone' type nonsense but actual positions he might have on certain things that would change your mind, even if to Hillary.
I worry about him being a total bitch with foreign policy or going to far with handouts/socialism but it would be hard to be any deal breakers because the guy seems firmly planted in reality and has been consistent for a long time.
Income disparity, universal healthcare, and american manufacturing are paramount to me and i largely agree with him. If he can maintain on all other fronts and get the ball rolling on those, especially income disparity, I think of a lot of america's ills will fall in line (higher mill+ bracket) once that money starts flowing back through the (working) peons again.
These clips floating around from 30 years ago make it clear that hillary plays politics excessively, panders, and has no principles. Probably the reason why my vote will probably fall between Sanders and Trump. Trump at least spews shit on american manufacturing. I actually don't expect anything to come of that, because there will be a reality that you can't pay all the workers decent wages and also all the executives get 30mil a year while selling products anyone can afford. But at least we will send a message that there are limits to how much of a fucking middle america can take.
Income disparity, universal healthcare, and american manufacturing are paramount to me and i largely agree with him. If he can maintain on all other fronts and get the ball rolling on those, especially income disparity, I think of a lot of america's ills will fall in line (higher mill+ bracket) once that money starts flowing back through the (working) peons again.
These clips floating around from 30 years ago make it clear that hillary plays politics excessively, panders, and has no principles. Probably the reason why my vote will probably fall between Sanders and Trump. Trump at least spews shit on american manufacturing. I actually don't expect anything to come of that, because there will be a reality that you can't pay all the workers decent wages and also all the executives get 30mil a year while selling products anyone can afford. But at least we will send a message that there are limits to how much of a fucking middle america can take.
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Palum
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I agree with most of what you said Picasso, however I think times have changed. For instance Bernie instead of Bill Clinton could have worked. I just don't see how in the current powder keg foreign policy environment I can vote for a pussy. He's just passive and I have no faith that he has the right character to do the job. He might have some good ideas but I also think he won't compromise his ideals which makes him not only worthless in the oval office but scary progressive with SJW pandering. Microaggressions would be a hate crime under President Sanders.
B_Mizzle
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This 100%. I'm gonna love to see Hilary break out in to a coughing fit in the first debate with Trump.
Get everyone to vote for bernie and kick back as he takes all their stuff and gives it to me would be my Mangum trollpus
I think it'll be a good experiment to do jack shit, bow out of the middle east, Russia subversion, etc and see what happens for 4 years.
I don't worry about Bernie getting anything too extreme passed because it's near impossible to get anything reasonable passed. What he will do is give volume and center stage to issues that have no valid explanations besides partisan politics that can't get any traction. Also if he does well half the country may relax from the better dead than red bullshit that's crippled no-brainer reforms for a while now (eg. healthcare)
The access to higher education thing is another big plus. WV started an in state tuition program 10 years ago that isn't perfect but I think has been a wonderful thing and I really don't see it being a problem federally if the poorest state can send everyone with over a 19 on the ACT and a 3.0 to college for 10 years. We are having big budget problems now due to coal and I haven't heard a peep about defunding that despite pretty radical repub control right now.
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I fail to see him adding anything on a national level as long as he has (R) next to his name. Has voted for every anti gun bill he had a chance to. Thanks personally by Bill Clinton for helping save the children by doing so. Is for amnesty for illegals. Accepted 200k donation from Soros right before announcing his amnesty plan.