Hearthstone

Reminds of SC2 Ghost nerf, where a pro (qxc) posted their own way on how to nerf the unit without completely destroying it's usefulness in the matchup, but Blizzard went full retard and nerfed it into the ground instead.

jooka_sl said:

Seems the timing is about right to give qualifiers heading to the world championship time to figure out what to play instead since all of them were going to be playing it.

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You mean 16x Druid, Warlock, Paladin?

zzeris_sl said:

Exactly this and what Famm said. This card has been an issue twice and will always be a problem for them to work around. Just nerf the hell out of it and move on. As slow as they are to swing the bat, everyone that wanted to play that deck got their time in. Moving on time just like with miracle rogue.

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I understand that the card had to be nerfed but they had to go to the extreme and make it so that it is completely unplayable? They might as well have deleted the card. Lots of good suggestions have been made to tune down the card from this thread alone but Blizzard had to go all the way and nuke it from orbit.

I'm not a Patron player so it doesn't affect me but the way Blizz 'balances' things is lolwut

Its not the first unplayable card and it won't be the last. Buzzard is even more unplayable than this will be but the game has lived on.

There were more elegant ways to tone down patron, but I can't think of a way to rework WC while keeping its original intent but avoiding any future problems with it again. They had to ditch the "give a minion charge" aspect completely. The likelihood that it would just result in more unwanted OTK style decks in the future was out of the question for them I assume. This saves frothing to maybe be useful again but not in a ridiculous way. They had to sacrifice one of the two cards and WC was more of a threat to be a problem again in the future. Of course this also leaves GP looking unplayable too but it could find its way into something again in the future somehow.

The issue with charge aside, I don't know why they went for 2/3 for 3. That places it firmly in the territory of never being used ever. It could have easily been a 3/3 or even 3/4 given how limited the bonus is, but instead it's just another waste of a card slot that winds up making arena warrior even worse than it already was.

Ronne_sl said:

The issue with charge aside, I don't know why they went for 2/3 for 3. That places it firmly in the territory of never being used ever. It could have easily been a 3/3 or even 3/4 given how limited the bonus is, but instead it's just another waste of a card slot that winds up making arena warrior even worse than it already was.

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Compare WC to Leokk now. Same mana cost, 1 less health, same effect except Leokk's is unconditional while WC only affects small subset of charge minions. Changes like these show the amount of thought that the developers put into the game.

Leokk gets a bonus because of the RNG nature of Animal Companion. All 3 outcomes are under costed but it's allowed because of the RNG.

Killing the deck is better than doing nothing, but one really has to wonder why they chose that particular change. Somewhere, a professional game developer in charge of one of the most popular and profitable games in the world sat down and decided that this was what should happen to the card.

I get why they changed the card but I don't get why the swapped it with something unplayable.

Jesus everytime something is nerfed the anti-net deckers come out of the woodwork on forums talking about warsong commander is still "usable" and shit

Control warriors everywhere already, I think people are already ditching Patron. Does anyone else think its fucking bullshit that Justicar Trueheart resets your hero power? So you can use it twice in one turn. The four armor every turn is bad enough, when its late game he shits out six fucking shield points in one turn plus a 6/3 body. Everyone's been begging for a slower meta, I have a feeling it will bore them all to shit.

Trueheart or no, Midrange Hunter and Druid both give control warrior fits, so if control warrior gets real popular, I'd expect to see those come back in force.

Ha! Blizzard never changes really. In a million years I would have never come up with that nerf.

No matter, as much as I liked playing Patron occasionally, it was a shitty deck for gameplay. Still, just delete the cards already or something. No point in pretending this new one has anything to do with the old at all.

Famm_sl said:

Control warriors everywhere already, I think people are already ditching Patron. Does anyone else think its fucking bullshit that Justicar Trueheart resets your hero power? So you can use it twice in one turn. The four armor every turn is bad enough, when its late game he shits out six fucking shield points in one turn plus a 6/3 body. Everyone's been begging for a slower meta, I have a feeling it will bore them all to shit.

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It works that way with all (I think) cards that change your hero power, like with priest you can heal then play shadowform and immediately plonk something with the new hero power.

Yeah I think ya'll complaining that the Patron deck is now wholly unplayable are missing it. Blizzard didn't nerf the Patron Deck and they didn't nerf Warsong Commander, they deleted Warsong Commander. I think they very purposefully killed that card. The fact that the Patron deck dies with it is ancillary.

-edit- Got it, thanks

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