NFL 2020 Season: Gravy Edition!
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Is Philip Rivers a Hall of Famer?
Philip Rivers has retired from the NFL.
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Sums it up pretty well in regards to Rivers.
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Merrith
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Joe Flacco also had a top 5 defense for basically infinitely longer than Eli did.
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Everyone ahead of him other than Big Ben (even marino) also had more career passing attempts than he did. That's actually crazy to me Marino has that many attempts, given HIS era he played in. Ryan and Stafford also had a significant portion of their careers in an era beyond Eli where passing exploded even further.
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He's been retired for 1 year, not 10. And if you want to bring up him only playing 4 games his final season tt was because he dropped to .500 for his career and would have just gotten worse. Less attempts than Rivers sure. But also Passer rating 11.1 points lower, 4.6 percent less completion percentage, .8 Y/A less, 1.1 AY/A less, a 1.5/1 TD/INT ratio compared to slightly better than 2/1 ratio for Rivers, etc. He's significantly worse.
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Chargers coach Brandon Staley eager to build an offense for Justin Herbert
New Chargers head coach Brandon Staley says he's eager to build an offense that revolves around quarterback Justin Herbert.
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Certainly what you want to hear from a new coach, now if he can actually do that is another story I'll be tuning in for
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It matters they were against brady too. if lebrons only ring was against the 73-9 warriors it would matter (i understand the diff between lebron and eli stats, before we start this derail)
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He says the right things. That will make the eventual heartbreak all the more hurtful.Chargers coach Brandon Staley eager to build an offense for Justin Herbert
New Chargers head coach Brandon Staley says he's eager to build an offense that revolves around quarterback Justin Herbert.
Certainly what you want to hear from a new coach, now if he can actually do that is another story I'll be tuning in for
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I think the .500 thing is less of a thing than they were ready to move on and see if Daniel Jones is the answer for them long term (after all, for all the hand wringing over Haskins in Washington, the Giants used a much higher pick on Jones). Also Ryan and Stafford are still likely to play for another 5ish years (maybe shorter for Ryan, longer for Stafford potentially).
I never argued he was better than Rivers. I only pointed out why Eli will get more weight (again, potentially). 2 rings and both against Brady. Question will be do voters like Rivers accumulated stats but never even making a Super Bowl versus Eli's less stats but 2-0 in SB's.
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I guess a better question to pose is which guys from the group of Big Ben, Eli, Rivers, Ryan, and Stafford would we consider for the Hall of Fame? This is assuming that Ryan and Stafford continue their careers and move up the passing rankings as they will for another 3-5+ years.
Personally, Ben is the only one of that group I think should be a lock for the Hall. I'm not sure I'd put any of the rest of them in.
Eli will probably be the worst statistically in the end, but with 2 rings against Brady. There's a pretty good chance Ryan passes Rivers in both passing yards and TD's in another 3 years (passing yards in less). Stafford if he plays 5+ has a very good shot to pass Rivers in passing yards, although he's 139 TD passes behind him so he'd need to stay closer to 30 TD's a year than 25 for 5 more years to catch him.
At this point, though, Rivers/Ryan/Stafford have only 1 SB appearance amongst them, and that doesn't have the look of changing. Ryan did have an MVP and the 1 Super Bowl appearance from that group, so he might have the best shot of those 3.
If I was going to guess who eventually will get in, Ben for sure, Eli probably...and maybe Ryan. Rivers might get in but shit will be pretty crowded with better QB's ahead of him. Stafford would have to add some playoff success and continue to accumulate stats for another 5+ years to have a shot.
Personally, Ben is the only one of that group I think should be a lock for the Hall. I'm not sure I'd put any of the rest of them in.
Eli will probably be the worst statistically in the end, but with 2 rings against Brady. There's a pretty good chance Ryan passes Rivers in both passing yards and TD's in another 3 years (passing yards in less). Stafford if he plays 5+ has a very good shot to pass Rivers in passing yards, although he's 139 TD passes behind him so he'd need to stay closer to 30 TD's a year than 25 for 5 more years to catch him.
At this point, though, Rivers/Ryan/Stafford have only 1 SB appearance amongst them, and that doesn't have the look of changing. Ryan did have an MVP and the 1 Super Bowl appearance from that group, so he might have the best shot of those 3.
If I was going to guess who eventually will get in, Ben for sure, Eli probably...and maybe Ryan. Rivers might get in but shit will be pretty crowded with better QB's ahead of him. Stafford would have to add some playoff success and continue to accumulate stats for another 5+ years to have a shot.
rivers was a GOOD quarterback, never a great quarterback...it is the hall of fame not the hall of...good
how many Probowls did he get into because the OTHER 2 quarterbacks backed out.
how many yards in garbage time did he get.
how many plays were blown to make them lose the game
Eli is the same thing, good not GREAT- even with 2 SB's he rode the coatails of good Defenses,,,and luck, he was LUCKY that holding was not called on the helmet play, if you look at any replay seymour was held. not by 1, but by 2 giants.... but alas, history doesn't favor the pats for that game.
as for Ben R...he is arguably better qualified than EITHER of the other two mentioned above, but even he is a tier two QB.
recently- past 10 years excluding the new guys
top tier QB:
Rodgers- first ballot
Brady...ya GOAT
Brees- first ballot
Wilson
next tier:
Ben
Rivers
Ryan
Stafford
Watson
next tier
Eli
allen- improved A LOT this year...might move a tier up he was not that good last year
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how many Probowls did he get into because the OTHER 2 quarterbacks backed out.
how many yards in garbage time did he get.
how many plays were blown to make them lose the game
Eli is the same thing, good not GREAT- even with 2 SB's he rode the coatails of good Defenses,,,and luck, he was LUCKY that holding was not called on the helmet play, if you look at any replay seymour was held. not by 1, but by 2 giants.... but alas, history doesn't favor the pats for that game.
as for Ben R...he is arguably better qualified than EITHER of the other two mentioned above, but even he is a tier two QB.
recently- past 10 years excluding the new guys
top tier QB:
Rodgers- first ballot
Brady...ya GOAT
Brees- first ballot
Wilson
next tier:
Ben
Rivers
Ryan
Stafford
Watson
next tier
Eli
allen- improved A LOT this year...might move a tier up he was not that good last year
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Of this group Ben is the clear 1. Rivers and Ryan are the next tier, with Eli and Stafford behind. Ryan and Stafford are likely to play a decent number of years more so we'll have to see where they end up. Of the group Eli throws the shortest passes for the lowest completion percentage and at the worst TD/INT ratio of the 5. On a per game basis Rivers stats are closer to Rodgers than Eli is close to Rivers for everything but TD/INT ratio.
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Eli, Flacco, Johnson, Dilfer, Simms, Rypien, Hostetler, and Wilson are my favorite examples that a bad QB can win with a great team. He was truly terrible most of his career in a passing era.
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Eli Beat TOM BRADY in the Super bowl after TOM had won 18 straight games
Kept the GOAT from Perfection is HOF worth for me!
THEN he beat Tom again in the big game.
66% of the GOATS super bowl losses can be contributed to Eli.
Give that man a seat at the HOF next to his bro.
Kept the GOAT from Perfection is HOF worth for me!
THEN he beat Tom again in the big game.
66% of the GOATS super bowl losses can be contributed to Eli.
Give that man a seat at the HOF next to his bro.
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I can buy Wilson being not nearly as good a QB when he won his ring as he has been the last few years.