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So we go back to 1985 when QB's sat for a minimum of four years learning the system. I personally like that, but it will never happen.
The Dallas Cowboys Memorial (2015 Off-Season) Thread
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moontayle
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I agree and it's largely because of owners bowing to public pressure. They're not necessarily making less money if they spend time coaching up a QB, especially if the team is already a dumpster fire, but they have to at least pretend to care to satiate the masses. Browns owner has this down pretty good. Snyder does too. I'm sure York will be there soon enough.
That's partially why I'm worried about the post-Romo years. Jerry has stepped back a lot in the last few seasons, and people managed to convince him that Johnny-idiot-face was a bad pick but that was on the strength of them still having Romo. I fear that with no viable solution on hand Jerry is going to jump at the first QB to cross his desk with a modicum of college success with no regard to whether or not he might actually succeed.
That's partially why I'm worried about the post-Romo years. Jerry has stepped back a lot in the last few seasons, and people managed to convince him that Johnny-idiot-face was a bad pick but that was on the strength of them still having Romo. I fear that with no viable solution on hand Jerry is going to jump at the first QB to cross his desk with a modicum of college success with no regard to whether or not he might actually succeed.
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Well, he needs to get romo's replacement drafted in a hurry so he can start seasoning him. It was a rough ride going from aikman to romo (remember quincy carter?), I think jones learned his lesson from that fiasco. I hope he learned his lesson anyway. I guess the question is, what's the ideal amount of time for a young QB to sit on the bench maturing? I figure 2 years.
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Jones has learned nothing. This dude finally gets the ship righted again, and in SB contention. Now he starts bringing in "bad" people again to fuck up the locker room and chemistry. He will make the same mistake with life after Romo. I was one of the few that thought he SHOULD bring in Manziel. Let that dude sit a few years behind Romo. I'm making the assumption that Manziel will be good of course.
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I'm with you on manziel. He might be ruined now, but I think a couple 3 years sitting behind romo and Johnny would have been a good player. But tell me when jerry stopped bringing in bad people. He's always had a soft spot for troubled players.
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Yeah, I'm not sure that's an accurate statement. I mean, who's bad? You can say Dez but he hasn't been in trouble in years and the on field stuff is just that, on field stuff. You can say Hardy but he hasn't had any incidents since the accusation and when the brawl with STL happened the other day he was one of the few that walked away from it. Maybe Randle? Ok, yeah, stealing is bad. He's on probation.
Who else?
Who else?
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He didn't get 'pulled out' of that playoff game. His knee gave out. He shouldn't have even played that playoff game. And he had pocket presence before that due to confidence in his legs. Now he doesn't even have that to fall back on.
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He said Shanahan did NOT pull him out of that game. I'm not convinced he should have been playing either, but at the start, even with 80% RG3 Skins marched down the field twice and were up 14-0 before you could blink. Wheels fell off when he really tweaked the knee badly on the play before his 2nd TD pass. After that he could barely walk and Shanahan should have pulled him out immediately. The eventual play/ACL tear was only a matter of time at that point, especially on that shit field. His wasn't the only ACL to go that day if I recall.
Gankak
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Whoops I am an idiot. I swear I can read.
And you are correct about not the only ACL tear that day. We lost Chris Clemons on that field to an ACL tear as well.
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That's right, I remember the bitching both ways because losing Clemons hurt you guys big going forward. Not that I think RG3's knee was going to be in good shape either way, but the field was horrific.
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So one guy who was accused and charged of DA, who had the charges dropped because they didn't have a winnable jury trial case, and who only has this one incident against him. That's the team going after "bad guys"? They signed him to a one-year deal, and one that protected the team should he actually turn out to be a piece of shit. It's actually one of the smarter moves the Cowboys have made in recent years. Low risk, high reward.
patriots typically beat the Colts by running the ball down their throats...and they're worried about a bugged locker room.
this is why indi can't have nice things. perhaps build a good team and stop whining
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Jerry Jones = Al Davis 2.0
Owners should never be GMs in this day and age. It just doesn't work.
Jerry is a great businessman, and can money hand over fist, but he cannot be the decision maker for a modern day NFL team. It took Al Davis dying to put the Raiders slowly back on the right path, it might take the same to ever get the Cowboys back to consistent Super Bowl contention.
Owners should never be GMs in this day and age. It just doesn't work.
Jerry is a great businessman, and can money hand over fist, but he cannot be the decision maker for a modern day NFL team. It took Al Davis dying to put the Raiders slowly back on the right path, it might take the same to ever get the Cowboys back to consistent Super Bowl contention.
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My point being that Jerry and the Boys constantly do this sort of thing when they get close. It has backfired on them almost every time. From Pacman to Owens. Now Hardy. Your Boys were a bad call away from the NFC championship (I personally think they would have beaten Seattle)...tweak it a bit.
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I disagree with this. Tannehill didn't have the fundamentals down. He was just willing to listen and finally got a good OC and coaches to teach him. He's not some special snowflake(beyond high end talent) but a guy who had the proper environment to learn and the willingness to learn. That is what these teams need.
Redskins...let's change HCs systems, ect over and over. Duh, no success. Alex Smith early, lots of systems and coaches and lots of failure. Same with Cleveland, etc,etc. If you get a new QB, don't change everything up frequently and actually have a good idea of the coach you want and what the synergy of the HC/QB is going to be. Shanahan and RG was only going to work in the right circumstances. Manziel isn't the answer right now and maybe never. You have to groom the, train them, and mold your system to get the best results. Not for a year or 2 for for as long as it takes. I don't understand why you would waste all that time, effort, energy, and money on a higher end draft pick and then not do everything possible to make them successful. If that means two years sitting, then two years it is. Get that backup and find weapons. because RG 3 is wasted picks at this time and will probably always be wasted picks. And it didn't have to be that way. There isn't a mystical formula here.