Commander Vimeseh_sl
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I'm gonna let you finish, but Lebron had the best stats of the series! Lebron lost it, Warrirors didn't win it. Just look at the stats! Lebron is MVP and the championship is actually his because he lost so spectacularly that if the warriors had any respect they'd forfeit the championship!We Gonna Be Championship
Still waiting on anything to back up the idea that Kobe is clutch. I used to think that until I saw the numbers and I don't know how else you could measure it if not by numbers. If you don't believe in any quantifiable way to measure it or that all the numbers from that link don't matter then, yeah, I guess it is all about feels.Post Season; a shot to tie or take the lead
Last 24 seconds
Kobe: 7 for 28 (25.0%)
LeBron: 7 for 17 (41.1%)
Last 30 seconds
Kobe: 7 for 28 (25.0%) (0 for 8 from the 09 post season till present day)
LeBron: 9 for 19 (47.30%)
Last 2 minutes
Kobe: 17 for 50 (34%) (0 for 8 in the last two playoffs; 2010 and 2011)
LeBron: 21 for 43 (48.8%)
Last 5 minutes
Kobe (since 01 season): 30 for 88 (34.09%)
LeBron: (since 06 season): 36 for 74 (48.6%)
Playoff Games
Game 7 of a Playoff Series
Kobe 22.2ppg on 38.9% FG with 8.0rpg and 5.0apg (6 games)
LeBron *34.0ppg on 46.5% FG with 8.1rpg and 3.5 APG (4 games) (*NBA Record)
Elimination Games
Kobe 21.5 ppg on 41.4% FG with 5.8rpg and 3.5apg (19 games)
LeBron 31.5 ppg on 46% FG with 10.0rpg and 6.5apg (12 games)
lol You had me going for a minute thereStill waiting on anything to back up the idea that Kobe is clutch. I used to think that until I saw the numbers and I don't know how else you could measure it if not by numbers. If you don't believe in any quantifiable way to measure it or that all the numbers from that link don't matter then, yeah, I guess it is all about feels.
You can point out Lebron played against a weaker conference for many of those playoff games but that still doesn't mean Kobe's numbers aren't pretty poor. I'm sure there's some way to quantify that, as well, but that's just another number and not a feeling.
I don't even dislike Kobe. He was probably my favorite player when I was younger and I really liked his later Lakers squads (though more for Pauand Bynumat that point). You can make the argument that he's somehow more of a team builder than Lebron (though I'm not sure I buy that) because that's basically entirely subjective. But it's hard to ignore that he had a tendency to hero ball it without the results to back up that mentality.
Bynum was a really good center, offensively and defensively, for about 4-5 years. Do you disagree with that? Don't just remember his silly antics toward the end. They don't win those championships without him, imo.lol You had me going for a minute there
Lies. It was Kobe and a similar supporting cast to the ones Lebron has drug to the finals every non-Miami year. Kobe's just better in the clutch so he won with those teams sometimes!Bynum was a really good center, offensively and defensively, for about 4-5 years. Do you disagree with that? Don't just remember his silly antics toward the end. They don't win those championships without him, imo.
He was a good center when the NBA lacked any good centers so he looked alot better by comparison. He was also wildly inconsistent and they still win in '09 without himBynum was a really good center, offensively and defensively, for about 4-5 years. Do you disagree with that? Don't just remember his silly antics toward the end. They don't win those championships without him, imo.
The first section was shots to tie or take a lead so no garbage time situations.I'd be really curious to see how many of those points/shots/whatever come from garbage time points where LeBron's team is being blown-out deep in the game etc...
I don't know how they could take Thompson at 15/year over Love. At the very least they could flip a long-term contract Love for a better player than Thompson if they don't feel it's working out.On another note, I was completely sold on the idea of letting Love walk and taking Thompson & Mozgov in place of the Love money. Talks now that Thompson wants $15 /yr makes that situation more interesting though.
Kobe is 5-1 in game 7's, the only loss being the Suns series that was lol-worthy he even carried that team to a game 7.Game 7 of a Playoff Series
Kobe 22.2ppg on 38.9% FG with 8.0rpg and 5.0apg (6 games)
LeBron *34.0ppg on 46.5% FG with 8.1rpg and 3.5 APG (4 games) (*NBA Record)
Andrew Bynum was shit. Shit stats. Shit effort. Shit attitude. Which is part of the reason Kobe used to skewer him and helped push his ass out of the organization.After looking at Bynum's game logs/per game stats in the '10 title run, aside from a 21 pt & 7 BLK game in a losing effort, his post season stats are surprisingly underwhelming. Thought he did a little more than this. Averaged 7.4 points & 5.1 reb in the Celtics series.
Andrew Bynum Game By Game Stats and Performance - ESPN
Sucks that Lebron benefits more than any player I've ever seen, and is still a perennial loser when he doesn't have his Hall of Fame and All-Star buddies helping him win as a hired gun in Miami.I think even Kobe benefited from some good circumstances (which all champions do).
Nobody said Kobe is better. If fact, you seething fucking retard
Blitz_sl said:LeBron will go down as a better player as Kobe, but like Shaq said, it'd be hard to take him over a guy like Kobe when the game is winding down.
popsicledeath_sl said:I'd take Kobe over Lebron every time while building a team and down the stretch of any game that mattered.
Thanks for calling me a retard though!Commander Vimesh_sl said:I'm heavily in the rings trump all camp as any good bulls fan should be.